A simple solution to combat all the cheating!

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Originally Posted by albeva

Lets suppose they add this feature:
- Do you think player base is not going to be biased and be objective when using report tool?
- How would one validate veracity of these reports? Some people are just insanely skilled & good - would win a lot, would get reported a LOT.
- How to prevent this feature from being maliciously abused? Just check what happened in New World where opposite faction players were report bombed into automatic account suspensions.
- Do you think SE has enough resources to properly arbitrate each and every report? Or will they use automated tools?

This Is Monumentally Stupid Idea.

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I mean...they already don't act on reports most of the time even if the person in question is verifiably cheating and being spammed with reports by several people. This just makes the process simpler., and even if there are false flags it's extremely unlikely they would be nearly as prevalent as with anyone who was actually cheating.

Considering how overly cautious they seem to be as is, I also seriously doubt there would be any false positives and if anything would they'd just use someone being constantly spammed with reports as a sign to investigate. If they're not doing anything wrong, they won't take action, but may continue to keep the reports in mind a sign of a potentially problematic player.

The only thing that's monumentally stupid is the fact that there are people being allowed to get away with cheating damn near everything in the entire game for years on end without punishment.

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Originally Posted by albeva

Lets suppose they add this feature:
- Do you think player base is not going to be biased and be objective when using report tool?
- How would one validate veracity of these reports? Some people are just insanely skilled & good - would win a lot, would get reported a LOT.
- How to prevent this feature from being maliciously abused? Just check what happened in New World where opposite faction players were report bombed into automatic account suspensions.
- Do you think SE has enough resources to properly arbitrate each and every report? Or will they use automated tools?

This Is Monumentally Stupid Idea.

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So the solution would be in your case to just lay down and let people cheat to their heart's content? Or nuke all the mods and kill the game with that!

Only cause a system can be abused doesn't mean that the system is bad, it means it needs more regulation which would come at the cost of employing more GMs to review the reports. And i think a GM especially with access to advanced logs can see if a person is "insanely skilled" or switches between targets to stun literally every lb even before the player pressed the button like a rabid moogle on cocaine. And i don't know if insanely skilled players can run for weeks in a circle to mine nodes without ever having to sleep, if so please teach me how to get that skilled cause i could use the extra 8 hours per day. Same goes with other things like sprint that never ends. (outside of pvp)

Fact is that the cheaters are slowly forcing SE hand and they have to make a choice. And idk how you see it but if i have to choose between an easy report system or SE purging the land in a holy crusade against all third party tools i rather have the first option. Cause the second one will cost way more and would destroy so many communities that shareholders would create SE personal final days.

Simple "Report Player" in PvP scenarios have been shown to be targets for misuse again and again. Both unintentional and malicious. Most recently New World is a prime example of this.

Also got to love "hire more GMs", "develop advanced logs" - All that costs money, human resources, time and MONEY. SE will weigh pros and cons very carefully before committing resources. Even then analysing player behaviour from logs can be EXTREMELY complex and time-intensive task.

I am not arguing against a way to detect & ban cheaters. However, the report button alone is a naive approach to dealing with a very complex problem.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

Genuinely surprised most people complain about seeing the Gaol as often as they do considering SE makes it a task and a half to report things.

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Sometimes kupo you will have said something crazy in like July and you log in December to find out something you can't even recall landed you in jail. I mean do the crime do the time is all well but there is a reason limitations exist kupo <3 lol

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Originally Posted by albeva

Simple "Report Player" in PvP scenarios have been shown to be targets for misuse again and again. Both unintentional and malicious. Most recently New World is a prime example of this.

Also got to love "hire more GMs", "develop advanced logs" - All that costs money, human resources, time and MONEY. SE will weigh pros and cons very carefully before committing resources. Even then analysing player behaviour from logs can be EXTREMELY complex and time-intensive task.

I am not arguing against a way to detect & ban cheaters. However, the report button alone is a naive approach to dealing with a very complex problem.

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The only other ways are either implementing a anti cheat software which they already said they won't do cause it would go against the law in certain countries. The other way would be to ignore the problem would lead to the death of CC cause people will lose interest in it when the top 100 are all just pvp bots and you can't have a fun match without getting nuked by cheaters.

The literally only way is to do this easy report system and make sure there are gamemasters who can view matches so they see if something shady goes on or if it's just "skill". All the other options will lead to the destruction of either the entire pvp gamemode or the destruction of half the playerbase like gposers, roleplayers, the housing community, large part of the raiding community and guide makers cause they won't have access to logs without third party tools which they need to gather data. It would mean the complete death of the western playerbase and thus XIV cause shareholders won't like that at all. And in my opinion that is way worse than some sad people abusing the report function which they can already do anyways.

Amazing Idea I've been touting it for awhile myself.

Preventing report abuse is easy.

If someone is found falsely reporting someone 3 times they get a warning, if they continue they get a suspension, if they continue after that they get another suspension etc.

To combat cheating the mods need to be perfect and they need to be fast. People won't be abusing the report system after a few account suspensions.

SE would never do this however because it would require them to be competent, even worse spend more money on FFXIV.

The biggest limitation at the end of the day is in fact SE itself and not having a spectator mode for anything in-game.
In other games GMs could simply be invisible and watch people blatantly hack but the coding in this game I don't even think allows something so simple.

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Originally Posted by albeva

Simple "Report Player" in PvP scenarios have been shown to be targets for misuse again and again. Both unintentional and malicious. Most recently New World is a prime example of this.

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I looked up New World real quick and it seems they have an automated ban system. Get enough reports -> automatic ban. No one in this thread is advocating for this. Apples to oranges.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I looked up New World real quick and it seems they have an automated ban system. Get enough reports -> automatic ban. No one in this thread is advocating for this. Apples to oranges.

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Yes while I play NW people abused this system to ban people they don't like from game. If SE going to use a report system they are going to need dedicated GMs for it.. They will often get false reports because when people lose they often claim other side cheating some times it is true but usually not true :3

I am not fan of FFXIV pvp but I see many people (my FC friends) liked it, I hope SE can find a good solution for it.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I looked up New World real quick and it seems they have an automated ban system. Get enough reports -> automatic ban. No one in this thread is advocating for this. Apples to oranges.

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I think the bunny just has no idea how deeply embedded third party tools are by now in the community. So calling for anti cheat software is easy from that uninformed standpoint. But when we look at how many of the sub communities in this game outright rely on these programs to make guides, gposes and all that stuff then he would probably also understand why banning over half your playerbase and most of your communities from the game is a bad baaaaad idea.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

please just employ a small team of people who review reports for each datacenter and that's it.

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They have this, it's the Special Task Force.
It's not enough.