Please Tell Me If WHM is OKAY or Not

Thanks for all the replies. I use to be in a raid group that cleared new savages quickly after release. I started after ARR launched. My guild migrated from another game to FFXIV once we realized we preferred it, but life got tough for awhile and I retired. Now that life has settled and I'm comfortable I've decided to return.

I'm flexible and I'll play whatever healer class is optimal for a team. I don't know if I'll commit to a raid group but I do want to raid again in savage.

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Originally Posted by Elim

Thanks for all the replies. I use to be in a raid group that cleared new savages quickly after release. I started after ARR launched. My guild migrated from another game to FFXIV once we realized we preferred it, but life got tough for awhile and I retired. Now that life has settled and I'm comfortable I've decided to return.

I'm flexible and I'll play whatever healer class is optimal for a team. I don't know if I'll commit to a raid group but I do want to raid again in savage.

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Please don't listen to people telling you WHM is fine and so you continue levelling it. WHM it is fine till you do savage, P1S and P2S is fine for WHM , however from P3S it is a different story. If you really want to do savage on P4S WHM is absolutely shafted ,you need to be the top 5% WHM on skill level to clear P4S, I would say top 20% 25% of SCH or AST would clear. yes Savage is doable with WHM but it is try boxing with one hand tied behind your back.

I am telling you as the one who has mained since ARR and is rolling SCH in Endwalker. WHM isn't even good for progging since they nerf thin Air. I just hate how they do this crap to WHM expansion after expansion.

TDLR: If you like to Savage and believe in your skills then continue with WHM, otherwise do SCH or AST.

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Originally Posted by jadeblade

Please don't listen to people telling you WHM is fine and so you continue levelling it. WHM it is fine till you do savage, P1S and P2S is fine for WHM , however from P3S it is a different story. If you really want to do savage on P4S WHM is absolutely shafted ,you need to be the top 5% WHM on skill level to clear P4S, I would say top 20% 25% of SCH or AST would clear. yes Savage is doable with WHM but it is try boxing with one hand tied behind your back.

I am telling you as the one who has mained since ARR and is rolling SCH in Endwalker. WHM isn't even good for progging since they nerf thin Air. I just hate how they do this crap to WHM expansion after expansion.

TDLR: If you like to Savage and believe in your skills then continue with WHM, otherwise do SCH or AST.

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Thanks for the reply as well. I believe in my skills. One of my achievements is clearing A3 savage while most of the playerbase was struggling with it. That said, I have no desire to burden a group with a WHM when I can learn/play the other healing classes without issue.

From the feedback here, I've decided to put WHM on the backburner for now.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Since you mentioned SGE, I'll make a comparison between SGE and WHM.
So we have a tank pulling big in dungeons but not using mitigation, lots of single target heal required.

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SGE has a lot more tools than WHM has and is ahead in free healing at every level range, both for ST and aoe healing, even when partly ignoring some of their mechanics/ cooldowns and has better MP economy.

If you struggled so hard on SGE, you probably made some mistakes. Which is fine, but it's not the SGE toolkit that's lacking.

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Thanks for the side by side comparison.

But SGE at lvl 71 (Holminster Switch!) has not so much to fall back on, and that's where I caused my first wipe in like...forever? Definitely an experience thing, and me fumbling with the new skills (practiced a little before and did it as trust, but that's obviously not the same). On WHM this would not have happened though, even if I had spent all my instants/OGCDs I would still have Cure II as fallback (not even speaking of Holy). SGE does not have anything like that, making it the worse healer at that point.

You are right though, at max level things will look differently (I am not there yet with SGE). In my experience so far, SGE is excellent for most situations, its just those tight moments that I dread on that class, while I can simple power through them on WHM.

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Originally Posted by Sarim

Thanks for the side by side comparison.

But SGE at lvl 71 (Holminster Switch!) has not so much to fall back on, and that's where I caused my first wipe in like...forever? Definitely an experience thing, and me fumbling with the new skills (practiced a little before and did it as trust, but that's obviously not the same). On WHM this would not have happened though, even if I had spent all my instants/OGCDs I would still have Cure II as fallback (not even speaking of Holy). SGE does not have anything like that, making it the worse healer at that point.

You are right though, at max level things will look differently (I am not there yet with SGE). In my experience so far, SGE is excellent for most situations, its just those tight moments that I dread on that class, while I can simple power through them on WHM.

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It's weird because after i unlocked SGE on launch day, did 2 Khloe books to get it to 71 and did holmister switch immediadly on trusts and i had a smooth time healing thancred. And for the first few days i didnt even have druochole on my hotbar because i've missed it when assigning it. Eukrasian Diagnosis for example is a 300 potency heal with a 540 potency barrier. Granted these are level 85 values and i dont remember how strong the barrier is before that but its not far behind. Youre effectively healing 840 potency which is far stronger (and ironically cheaper) than a cure II. This is on top of the tank being healed by your DPS'ing so it should be dying slower than on WHM or AST unless ofc you sacrafice a GCD on regen/apected benefic. And afterwards doing wall to wall with real players wasnt an issue either.

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Originally Posted by jadeblade

Please don't listen to people telling you WHM is fine and so you continue levelling it. WHM it is fine till you do savage, P1S and P2S is fine for WHM , however from P3S it is a different story. If you really want to do savage on P4S WHM is absolutely shafted ,you need to be the top 5% WHM on skill level to clear P4S, I would say top 20% 25% of SCH or AST would clear. yes Savage is doable with WHM but it is try boxing with one hand tied behind your back.

I am telling you as the one who has mained since ARR and is rolling SCH in Endwalker. WHM isn't even good for progging since they nerf thin Air. I just hate how they do this crap to WHM expansion after expansion.

TDLR: If you like to Savage and believe in your skills then continue with WHM, otherwise do SCH or AST.

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I did doorboss of P4s fine yesterday, sure I used my raptures to heal but nothing really out of the ordinary during prog. Once gear is more updated I think it will mostly be glarespamming again. What happens in the last bossfight that requires so much healing that only the top 5% WHM could do it? So far I havent had to use a single gcd and we are doing tethers. (also we are going blind so no mechanicssolving). but now Im just curious since from what Ive been told, as many WHM as AST have cleared it.

WHM needs alot of changes to be on par with the other healers. Mainly their cooldowns shortened, their potencies updated and mp economy fixed. WHM is absolutely viable and I found P1s-P3s quite easy to heal. Progging P4s second part and the doorboss required a bit of raptures due to the lack gear, but honestly I was also mostly being safe. BUT, I have a team that rotate mitigation and me and my cohealer go WAY back and plan out our heals which means that we basically manage to ogcd heal an entire savage fight.

The toolkit of the other healers are absolutely better than WHMs to a lesser cost. WHM definitely needs love. Play it if you want.

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Originally Posted by Sarim

On WHM this would not have happened though, even if I had spent all my instants/OGCDs I would still have Cure II as fallback (not even speaking of Holy). SGE does not have anything like that, making it the worse healer at that point.

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Actually, EDiag is 675 total Potency in Holminster, only 25 less than Cure II. It's fine to spam, the shield will break within a GCD on big pulls resulting in similar value to Cure II spam. It's instant cast and can be used while moving. You can buff it with Zoe. It gets a really big proc if it crits. It's cheaper than Cure II. Basically it's superior. The idea that WHM is better on big pulls than SCH/SGE thanks to Cure II is just a myth and down to experience because a 300 potency heal + shield doesn't feel as big as a health bar jumping up by 700 worth. But it is. SCH in particular has more heal power than WHM when out of oGCD's due to Embrace going off during Adlo Spam resulting in higher hps than Cure II spam.

While WHM Holy is really good, it buys you about as much time as Haima + Kardia, from which point onwards Sage has better tools to handle big pulls.

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Originally Posted by jadeblade

Please don't listen to people telling you WHM is fine and so you continue levelling it. WHM it is fine till you do savage, P1S and P2S is fine for WHM , however from P3S it is a different story. If you really want to do savage on P4S WHM is absolutely shafted ,you need to be the top 5% WHM on skill level to clear P4S, I would say top 20% 25% of SCH or AST would clear. yes Savage is doable with WHM but it is try boxing with one hand tied behind your back.

I am telling you as the one who has mained since ARR and is rolling SCH in Endwalker. WHM isn't even good for progging since they nerf thin Air. I just hate how they do this crap to WHM expansion after expansion.

TDLR: If you like to Savage and believe in your skills then continue with WHM, otherwise do SCH or AST.

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That is not true, especially now week 2 good groups can clear with a dps death with a whm in the group, week 1 was tighter but you didn't need to be a top whm to clear no healer is forced to make p4s part 1 dps check easier

I do agree that whm need changes though

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

That is not true, especially now week 2 good groups can clear with a dps death with a whm in the group, week 1 was tighter but you didn't need to be a top whm to clear no healer is forced to make p4s part 1 dps check easier

I do agree that whm need changes though

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We did clear p4s phase 1 and 2 with 1 dead healer week 1. So it’s possible