World first races in FFXIV

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

I don't get it, if it is known that they used parsers and their character names are known, then why are they not banned? It says it clearly in the Terms of Service, the EULA and the code of conduct that any usage of third party tools is strictly forbidden and will result in a suspension.

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Three relatively simple reasons:
1) Square Enix doesn't accept any evidence they are not fully in control of as a basis for disciplinary actions. No screenshots, videos, streams or anything. All of those can potentially be faked and they just don't want to deal with the ensuing mess that acting on such evidence can cause. In practice it leads to in-game chat logs being the only reliable source of evidence they will consider.
2) Square Enix has no interest in developing or utilizing an anti-cheat software that checks what are you running on your machine. Both from moral and legal privacy-protection standpoint. Paired with the previous point it leads to all the rules you mention being entirely unenforceable outside of players blatantly bragging about their third party tools in in-game chat.
3) In the end, to please the most players Square Enix are actually pretty happy maintaining the status quo. Going hard against any third party software alienates the "hardcores" who are looking to review their performance. Allowing players to openly talk about dps numbers and exclude players based on them upsets the "casuals". The current situation with third party tools being a "grey zone" and following "fight-club" rules where mentioning them in-game will lead to trouble but actually utilizing them for personal improvement is allowed to stay under the radar is agreeable if not perfect for most players.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

The culture and community that surrounds and thrives world first activities are toxic to a detrimental level. The game is made worse by it. You might be bitter, but you are also not wrong to feel the way you do. There are MMORPG's out there where toxic competition is praised and endorsed.

So while it may be possible to "ignore" the race itself and the e-sports trash that comes with it, ignoring the effects it has on the game, the genre, and community is not possible.

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Realistically it's going to be difficult to prove any detrimental effect world first races have on ff14's community in its entirety so this is little more than just wildly assuming things. The game is as casual friendly as ever and the community is largely casual aswell.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

The culture and community that surrounds and thrives world first activities are toxic to a detrimental level. The game is made worse by it. You might be bitter, but you are also not wrong to feel the way you do. There are MMORPG's out there where toxic competition is praised and endorsed.

So while it may be possible to "ignore" the race itself and the e-sports trash that comes with it, ignoring the effects it has on the game, the genre, and community is not possible.

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Yes, calling something "toxic" and "trash" just on the basis of differing interests and definition of "enjoyment" is definitely a much better culture to promote.

Putting aside the whole third-party discussion that's been beaten to death already. My question is: third party plugins are up for world first kills? I've checked a few videos and didn't see anything. What vids are you watching? Third-party add-ons often drop at patch launches so players tend to ignore them. At most I would expect some of them to be available towards the end portion of the race?

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Realistically it's going to be difficult to prove any detrimental effect world first races have on ff14's community in its entirety so this is little more than just wildly assuming things. The game is as casual friendly as ever and the community is largely casual aswell.

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For me it's my experience with another MMO that went from enjoyable to unplayable around the time they started to focus on world first races and eSports.

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Originally Posted by Skyclaw726

I know it's been around since ARR but i just don't want the culture that surrounds WF to come here. Like eSports i can't stand it because when that stuff becomes the focus everything else is secondary.

maybe i'm just bitter.

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I wouldn't worry about it for Savage; it's not enough of a race for most people to care. Ultimate, though...

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Originally Posted by Skyclaw726

For me it's my experience with another MMO that went from enjoyable to unplayable around the time they started to focus on world first races and eSports.

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And what is your experience in this game? Clearly you have been around here for a long time if your join date is Nov 2013.

Can already see this WF race being deemed too scuffed to truely account as a WF. If a group ends up losing members to dc and queue, the rage will certainly be overflowing.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Yes, calling something "toxic" and "trash" just on the basis of differing interests and definition of "enjoyment" is definitely a much better culture to promote.

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Doubt many people even know who participates in the race, or what they've done for the community lol. But you know, despite that let's just point fingers at the good players and call them names. Because that's right and not toxic at all.

Well it is illegal to use parsers and cactbot that all or most savage/ultimate people do, there is no grey area if you actually read the ToS.