Enrage Timers to Delubrium Reginae ty

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

If your goal is to encourage for Lost Action/Essence use, buffing the fragment drops would be a far more effective method. Putting enrages won't make people use them any more than it'll encourage bad players in normal to be better. Half of them probably think their damage is good enough already. Regardless, the value to commitment cost simply isn't there. People farming their relic who otherwise have zero interest in Bozja aren't going to want to spend time farming clusters or throw away gil. They just want to get in and out even if it takes an hour each time.

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I would say that fragments for at least basic essences and skills actually drop at a pretty frequent rate - if you're specifically after those items and doing what it takes to get them. There are routes for awakening fragments an 8 person group can use to get hundreds in a lockout. Anything that can be farmed with reflect is naturally going to be simple to get once a player owns exactly 1 lost reflect, with added efficiency for a levelled tank class and 1 essence of the irregular. Clusters themselves are also efficient and valuable as a group farm target.

The thing is, I think players firstly don't approach bozja as something where it's valuable to fight non-skirmish enemies, probably out of habit for the eureka NM train. And secondarily, players seem to approach item farming from the perspective of different MMOs that split drops, and incentivize not grouping to encourage viewing anyone farming the same item as you as competition. In this game, the larger your group is the better - you can get items from the other side of the map just because your group has credit, even if it's not a mob you personally touched - and this doesn't affect your other party member's drop rates. So generally speaking if you make the largest group possible and just fight everything, you'll be basically swimming in fragments. But it's like there's a block people can't get over to actually group up and do that - like people's prior MMO experience makes them think it shouldn't work which prevents them from doing it when it does work, or something.

Or people are trying to rank up and all that and "farm everything non-skirmish" is naturally not gonna give mettle, so there's that as a consideration.

Prior to BSF hotfixes, a lot pugs can’t even handle the SIMPLE dps check in CLL against Brionac & Lyon. I’m not convinced dps check in DR would be any significant change... besides adding more frustration, both to the lazy & committing raid member than it is worthy for.

Either they improve the forgotten fragments drop frequency (to soothe the x99 Elixir syndrome) or probably add a system where each player have their own ‘grade performance’ to qualify certain level of personal loot from each chest. So that people are encouraged to perform better, be it from using essence, respecting mechanic, or whatever. Maybe extra timeworn artifact? :rolleyes: it’s up to discussions.

I think the issue is that most players focus almost entirely on doing skirmishes/CEs, which means they're only going to be getting drip-fed fragments from completion rewards.

Fragments of awakening/compassion are the roughest to get out of the ones available on the southern front as you're forced to kill rank IV/V in their respective areas if you want guaranteed drops and only two per mob at best. The other types can farmed enmass from star mobs or sprites.

If you actually try to get them, most of the important ones can be farmed it quite quickly. The basic essences in particular drop in lots of 2-3 from soloable rank III mobs on the bottom so there isn't much of an excuse for not having anything equipped.

I do think they could at least expand the number of fragments available from the vendor for clusters, though.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Could we get enrage timers on the bosses or something?!?

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Go do some Savage and let the casuals have their fun, it's obviously not content for you.

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Originally Posted by Naoki34

Go do some Savage and let the casuals have their fun, it's obviously not content for you.

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It is the content for casuals as well, some people semi afk through the entire place, if not an enragement timer, then reward classification for the time, if going to slow and easy, 1 relic item, for the entire amount of people, if you hit it within the decent to good trime you will get 3, that is better than enrage and certainly a motivation and allows for some carry as well, and give the ability to boot people from the Raid, if they more or less on purpose is holding back, it is every time when SE makes systems, where you can't do things about obnoxius players and destructive/obstructive characters that we run into them.

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There is an enrage in DR though. Warrior boss has that slow charge that makes sure everyone isn't sleeping.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

A valid reason to leave, when it takes too long, 1 and 2/3 LB3 for these bosses is way to long, even without essenses... so yes an enrage timer for the reason that people would put in some kind of effort to do this, it is a motivation bar to do something, also the mechanics is not that difficult and even with deaths here and there it wont be too much of a problem.

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All that shows is that the bosses are nothing more than HP sponges who need their HP lowered.

It shouldn't take 15-20 minutes to kill a boss on a normal raid.

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Originally Posted by TurtlesAWD

An enrage for normal feels a bit like overkill, I think the 3-hit doom mechanic does enough to discourage people from the "just bring platebearer" strategy (and hopefully they opt for DPS boosts instead). Enrage timers might make the fights faster but I feel like they're gonna make the queues quite a bit longer.

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My issue with this is there isn't a basic DPS boosting lost action that is easily farmable (unless I'm missing one). Tanks get a 60% easy boost, Healers get 80% easy boost, DPS get. . . survivability?

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

All that shows is that the bosses are nothing more than HP sponges who need their HP lowered.

It shouldn't take 15-20 minutes to kill a boss on a normal raid.

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It only takes that long if almost nobody is using damage-boosting essences and people are dying left and right.

They actually die noticeably faster then typical raid bosses if everyone is taking full advantage of everything the instance has to offer, but as the topic has been repeatedly mentioning they...don't.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

If your goal is to encourage for Lost Action/Essence use, buffing the fragment drops would be a far more effective method.

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I think if they would add them to be purchased with gold/silver coins it would be even better. I'm sitting on like 300 silver coins and I don't care about the armor which makes them completely useless to me. Also I don't just mean the ones that drop in DR but like the stuff that gives skimisher, aetherweave, etc..