BYE FC Exclusivity for this round. New housing Indo.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I find it interesting that people think when an FC wants a house, it's obviously because they want to use it to entertain others, use FC facilities, and generally be Upstanding Citizens. But someone wants a private house? Well, they just plan to leave it empty anyway. What a waste.

Just that black and white thinking at it again.

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It's the same Borg unit that shames anyone that dares to think differently.

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Originally Posted by MorionQ

I can’t help but wonder if the devs are baffled by how unpopular apartments are when people literally break their hands or bot trying to farm open ready to open plots when the biggest loss is gardening.

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IMO a lot of it has to do with gardening and outdoor space, and the feeling that you've basically got a glorified room at the FC house.... but you don't have the FC.

It would be highly amusing if they gave instanced housing the same equivalent as the large house and it fell flat, as I suspect the social aspect of wards is one of their main draws.

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Originally Posted by SXTC

lol made a topic about this and got attacked by people who all seem to have a 3-10 player FC... XD
Not everyone cares to entertain Doozer... For most its simply about the benefits and the fact that they'll get a house faster.

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1. You were not attacked, in the end it was the other way around.
2. Your suggestion would kill the dream of a FC house for many small FCs and communities.
3. You couldn't be bothered to answer any question you were asked, like if private houses would get the same treatment as small FCs.

You only focused on "solving" the abuse issue by fighting a single symptom without looking at the consequences instead of fighting the cause.
Fighting the cause would need to look at why people try to get houses with a single person FC.
The Answer is mostly because they want the benfits like workshop and appartments, so just give it to the private houses and this reason for the "abuse" is no longer present.
Now every house is the same no matter of FC or private.
Next step, cutting out the FCs from the public wards and give FCs a complete ward instead of a single house with a special large house instead of the appartment building as "FC hall".
Now the FC can provide up to 30 houses to their FC members and because every house is treated the same you can only have one house, either one in a FC ward or one in a public ward.
Further give the FC the option to add a sub division and now it can provide 60 houses to their members.

This suggestion would clear out many houses in the current wards and make them attainable for either nonFC characters or characters who can't get a house provided by their FC.
And with the FC numbers we may be able to provide a house for far more characters then with your suggestion which would also have negative consequences for the community as a whole.
This is just one suggestion that would more or less solve most of the housing issues but as every good suggestion it fails on the technical limitations of the servers and SE's stubborness in upgrading them.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Next step, cutting out the FCs from the public wards and give FCs a complete ward instead of a single house with a special large house instead of the appartment building as "FC hall".
Now the FC can provide up to 30 houses to their FC members and because every house is treated the same you can only have one house, either one in a FC ward or one in a public ward.
Further give the FC the option to add a sub division and now it can provide 60 houses to their members.

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We know this will never happen. SE is already pushing to optimize the current housing servers so each world can have 24 wards instead of 21.

Safe to say there are far more than just 24 FCs on a world. If 30% of houses are FC owned, that puts the average number of FCs that already own a house at about 1500 per world. SE isn't going to create over 1500 wards for housing on every world.

Then you have the 3-10 member FCs that seem to be a source of contention in this thread (not sure why anyone sees them as a problem or not good enough to be able to own a house). That would make most of their wards empty, a poor utilization of server resources.

Then you have the FCs that have over 30 unique players. Not everyone would get to have a house and there would be drama. The problem would be even worse for the truly large FCs with over 100 unique players.

SE has decided that FCs with 4 members are large enough to purchase a house. I might argue to tweak things a bit for getting and keeping the house (make it at least 4 unique player members on the FC roster at all times instead of just at purchase, with at least 4 unique player members logged into the game once every week) but that's about as far as I would go. Whether or not SE could set up some sort of system that could monitor such requirements then flag for GM review if not met is something else. Probably not, which is why there is only the restriction for purchase, making it easy to set up the shell FCs.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

We know this will never happen. SE is already pushing to optimize the current housing servers so each world can have 24 wards instead of 21.

Safe to say there are far more than just 24 FCs on a world. If 30% of houses are FC owned, that puts the average number of FCs that already own a house at about 1500 per world. SE isn't going to create over 1500 wards for housing on every world.

Then you have the 3-10 member FCs that seem to be a source of contention in this thread (not sure why anyone sees them as a problem or not good enough to be able to own a house). That would make most of their wards empty, a poor utilization of server resources.

Then you have the FCs that have over 30 unique players. Not everyone would get to have a house and there would be drama. The problem would be even worse for the truly large FCs with over 100 unique players.

SE has decided that FCs with 4 members are large enough to purchase a house. I might argue to tweak things a bit for getting and keeping the house (make it at least 4 unique player members on the FC roster at all times instead of just at purchase, with at least 4 unique player members logged into the game once every week) but that's about as far as I would go. Whether or not SE could set up some sort of system that could monitor such requirements then flag for GM review if not met is something else. Probably not, which is why there is only the restriction for purchase, making it easy to set up the shell FCs.

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I said it myself that my idea fails at the technical limitations.

For the 3-10 member FCs you could make the wards open up area by area, so wards of smaller FC's wouldn't look so empty because they are not as big as others but it may still cost the same amount of ressources then a full ward, so yeah, poor useage of the ressources sadly.

Also I never set a limitation that a FC member has to buy a house in the FC ward, they could also buy a house in a public ward, which wouldn't help for the housing shortage in general but wouldn't lock people out of the ability to own a house.

And for the last point I'm also very content with that one. It really should be 4 members with different accounts instead of just 4 characters to be able to purchase and maintain a house.
On the other side there are players that make FC's just to gather their alts under a single roof and with a change like proposed we would probably add 2 to 3 private houses into the pool instead of a single FC house which wouldn't really change anything of the current housing situation.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Well...they are...this isn't a theory. This is something that actually happens.

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Not everywhere though. Should not say it's a thing when it generally happens on more populated servers. Here on Zodiark we had 10-20 plots available for months before Covid happened but we still see a few plots open up on a weekly basis.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

1. You were not attacked, in the end it was the other way around.
2. Your suggestion would kill the dream of a FC house for many small FCs and communities.
3. You couldn't be bothered to answer any question you were asked, like if private houses would get the same treatment as small FCs.

You only focused on "solving" the abuse issue by fighting a single symptom without looking at the consequences instead of fighting the cause.
Fighting the cause would need to look at why people try to get houses with a single person FC.
The Answer is mostly because they want the benfits like workshop and appartments, so just give it to the private houses and this reason for the "abuse" is no longer present.
Now every house is the same no matter of FC or private.
Next step, cutting out the FCs from the public wards and give FCs a complete ward instead of a single house with a special large house instead of the appartment building as "FC hall".
Now the FC can provide up to 30 houses to their FC members and because every house is treated the same you can only have one house, either one in a FC ward or one in a public ward.
Further give the FC the option to add a sub division and now it can provide 60 houses to their members.

This suggestion would clear out many houses in the current wards and make them attainable for either nonFC characters or characters who can't get a house provided by their FC.
And with the FC numbers we may be able to provide a house for far more characters then with your suggestion which would also have negative consequences for the community as a whole.
This is just one suggestion that would more or less solve most of the housing issues but as every good suggestion it fails on the technical limitations of the servers and SE's stubborness in upgrading them.

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The fact that he came here and flat out insults people in the other thread says enough about him. Put a suggestion that threatens his FC in the same manner as what he suggested and he will back peddle fast.

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Originally Posted by Luna-M

Not everywhere though. Should not say it's a thing when it generally happens on more populated servers. Here on Zodiark we had 10-20 plots available for months before Covid happened but we still see a few plots open up on a weekly basis.

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Yea I know it doesn't happen everywhere and even if it does the extent can wildly vary. Sometimes fcs have one extra house. Sometimes they have as many as ten. Sometimes only one fc in a server does this and sometimes it's more. My point was that it gets talked about because it is something that occurs. Nothing more.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

For the 3-10 member FCs you could make the wards open up area by area, so wards of smaller FC's wouldn't look so empty because they are not as big as others but it may still cost the same amount of ressources then a full ward, so yeah, poor useage of the ressources sadly.

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Please explain why any FC that has less than the number of players needed to create it (which is 4) should be able to own property. IMO all FCs that have 3 or less members should be stripped of their property after a sufficient amount of time has elapsed so they have the opportunity to bring their FC to bring it up to at least four members.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Please explain why any FC that has less than the number of players needed to create it (which is 4) should be able to own property. IMO all FCs that have 3 or less members should be stripped of their property after a sufficient amount of time has elapsed so they have the opportunity to bring their FC to bring it up to at least four members.

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Please explain why you think the number of people in an FC correlates with the proficiency of that FC and the effectiveness/activity level of that FC. And why that number being over 4 is so specifically the difference between being deserving of a house and not. There are 3-man FCs that are more effective and active than some 50-man FCs.

And if you're going to go back to FCs being less than 4 people being a leading cause of housing shortage, go look at the other posts where it has been cited showing that 1 to 3 man FC's that own plots are still less than 6% of all plots across all the servers entirely. Maybe you avoided that post because actual data scares you and leaves you no room to dish out more of your silly suggestions. All your ideas seem to require the demise of people who you make you angry.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Next step, cutting out the FCs from the public wards and give FCs a complete ward instead of a single house with a special large house instead of the appartment building as "FC hall".
Now the FC can provide up to 30 houses to their FC members and because every house is treated the same you can only have one house, either one in a FC ward or one in a public ward.
Further give the FC the option to add a sub division and now it can provide 60 houses to their members.

This suggestion would clear out many houses in the current wards and make them attainable for either nonFC characters or characters who can't get a house provided by their FC.
And with the FC numbers we may be able to provide a house for far more characters then with your suggestion which would also have negative consequences for the community as a whole.

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There are some problems with this. Personal housing that is attached to FC membership has less worth than personal housing that isn't. Players are going to choose independently owned housing over FC-owned housing if the option is there every time, so while initially a bunch of plots would open up as FC owned plots go away, in the long run it just has the same effect as opening up new wards since it's the same people competing for the same slots. The only difference is that in the meantime you get a house that is beholden to your FC's existence. Also, for most FCs, FC housing wards will mostly just be a bunch of empty plots. Or possibly empty houses, if default houses were placed in empty plots to make the ward look less empty. This is also exacerbated by people obtaining independently owned housing as it becomes available. And I can't even fathom the drama over who gets the large and medium plots that will inevitably happen.