Viera & Hrothgar need access to more helmets/Hats

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Somehow this is fine

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Or maybe the point is that SE realized it is not fine in retrospect and so are choosing to avoid making the same mistake with Hrothgar and Viera by hiding the gear with the severe clipping (though the Oldrose headpiece really isn't that bad compared to some of the other common clipping issues).

SE could go ahead and allow all headgear to be visible regardless of clipping issues and they'd get a ton of comments about how this is a crappy low budget game with the poor way things look.

Or they could have chosen not to release Viera and Hrothgar at all, which would have upset the small portion of the player base that was demanding new races but wouldn't have caused any concerns about quality.

Instead they went the middle ground - provided the new races but limited the options where the clipping problems would be extreme.

Personally, I think they should have skipped adding the races and let people whine about that instead.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

They could learn how South Korea's mmo developers are handling their development cycle to learn and adapt it to their own. Even for single player games they could learn how other japanese game developers are handling their project management cycle and deliverables. All of that affects the decision-making of if and how they could add helmets/hats to female Viera.

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If this were a failing game, maybe this idea would have a little more merit.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

If this were a failing game, maybe this idea would have a little more merit.

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We're talking about development and project management here. The process of developing a game is no different, their R&D personnel should already be doing their job to find out how other game companies are handling operations, game development, and project management. The genre doesn't even matter since even single player games have release dates to meet. Also, not all mmos are "a failing game," they could learn from a couple of mmos with a healthy number of customers, yes even the dreaded world of warcraft is not a failing game.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

We're talking about development and project management here. The process of developing a game is no different, their R&D personnel should already be doing their job to find out how other game companies are handling operations, game development, and project management. The genre doesn't even matter since even single player games have release dates to meet. Also, not all mmos are "a failing game," they could learn from a couple of mmos with a healthy number of customers, yes even the dreaded world of warcraft is not a failing game.

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I think Yoshi and team already have all of that down. They have a schedule, they have their own priorities. They have things they have planned to do, then there are sudden things that need immediate attention, then there are ideas they may want to do but need time to develop, on top of finishing and balancing other things already on their table.
Hats and Helms on Viera and even Hrothgar are probly on the list, but its not a high priority, its not more important then maybe....finishing up and getting Sapphire weapon ready, or the next batch of MSQ content, the next step in the relic weapon.

Or even, these hats are further down the list, and the current project is developing Female Hrothgar/Male Viera. Perhaps the current priority that was on the list is now towards the top is more/new pvp content and balancing, bringing flying mounts to ARR, cutting back and adjusting duties. Odds are these have been on the burner longer and now its their turn to get some attention.

My main point is, SE is already doing Development and Project management. They have shown and proven that they are a hard working team with their own map planned out that they will deliver. If and when they have time, maybe they will get to Head gear for the 2 new races. They dont need to spend time looking at Blizzard or what-not to help them make hats.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

It's honestly not high in my [or probably anyone's, for that matter] priority list, I'm grateful we can wear some head pieces at all, but I'd rather they fine tune some of the ones we can already wear, like this beauty here

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Yeah, same feelings on this. Wanted to use the PLD crown from the first AF, but it just floats a little in front of my Hrothgar's face. If they can fine tune them, that'd be nice, but no rush. It's a minor issue imo (and considering the pandemic, I'd rather they work on playable content over glamour fashion stuff for two races).

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

PS. Don't treat Viera/Hrothgar as the same race. If female Viera get helments/hats that's because they're a humanoid race, you devs warned the players that if they added beastial races they would be limited because of how hard it is to model things for them. Just add new hair to Hrothgar, that's as far as you can push a beastial race.

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This is funny because they are NOT treated this way.

As in ... Hrothgar can actually show more headgear than Viera cause the devs don't have to deal with the effery that is Viera Ears.
(Hrothgar get fully face covering buckets that can't visor cause it replaces the head.)

As for your pics, the clipping of Liz horns doesn't hold a candle to the tragic sight that is Viera wearing hoods.
Besides, we already know why Viera can't wear hats. Their ears are in the "hat" slot so that they can be customized. Unlike cats their ears are not apart of their hair, they can actually change the shape and size of them. Meaning that w/e artistic solution they come up with for "how do you make these ears not look stupid in a hat" would have to be model 4 different times (the 4 different ears they would replace) with different possible sizes.

In a new game building a new system for this would be possible ... this game aint a new game though so that's a whole lot of work. And seeing as Bunny Ears is the only thing that defines this race they clearly didn't want to go the route that would best allow for a solution to hats (As in, make them all have the same ears with zero customization like cats).

They have said more than once what they're plans are, recently they said they plan to add "helms unique" to them over time.(which I take to mean ... stuff like the Fran hair Helm? A hair style with a helm but IDK)

Viera/Hrothgar are the Blue Mage Of races.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

This is funny because they are NOT treated this way.

As in ... Hrothgar can actually show more headgear than Viera cause the devs don't have to deal with the effery that is Viera Ears.
(Hrothgar get fully face covering buckets that can't visor cause it replaces the head.)

As for your pics, the clipping of Liz horns doesn't hold a candle to the tragic sight that is Viera wearing hoods.
Besides, we already know why Viera can't wear hats. Their ears are in the "hat" slot so that they can be customized. Unlike cats their ears are not apart of their hair, they can actually change the shape and size of them. Meaning that w/e artistic solution they come up with for "how do you make these ears not look stupid in a hat" would have to be model 4 different times (the 4 different ears they would replace) with different possible sizes.
allow for a solution to hats (As in, make them all have the same ears with zero customization like cats).

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I'm actually genuinely curious, do you know of an actual list somewhere of what hats each race can wear vs the other? I don't know of one, but I do know there are also hats Viera can wear that Hrothgar can't. I got a pretty neat hat last night that my friend couldn't try on at all.

Hoods are a little eh but I do like the Nier hood when visored at least. Otherwise its problem isn't the ears, it's that it makes our faces look really small. I can live with that much because most hooded outfits are kinda boring or ugly anyway, and Krile's looks bad on anyone but a Lallafel period imo :p

I think they will fix this problem after adding egi glamour, please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Personally I care a lot more about hairstyles than hats. I also think that any new release should always be Viera and Horthgar enabled or at the least have a separate item made for them that works. Relative to the remodeling of old hats I think it would be nice but honestly I don't think it will happen.

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Me too, i want more hairstyles instead, at least the ones bought and paid for would be nice to have.

Hats are my last priority sincei wear only glasses and flowers. :P