...What? Are you really trying to equate a fantasy MMORPG to real life to form an argument? And secondly, doctors don't make or augment medicine, they prescribe it based on a diagnosis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightshadow
I'm not even arguing the name, more how the mechanics of the job don't really work with XIV's gameplay. Chemists fool around with stuff in your inventory to make either buffing or damaging effects. Works great in a turn based RPG where you can open up menus easily. Strip that away, and you're just going more for the aesthetic than the actual function of the job.Quote:
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geomancer and ffxiv story elements
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11-08-2019, 12:24 AMAndevom
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11-08-2019, 05:33 PMDuelleFYI, in Japanese the job is not called Chemist. They're called アイテム士, or "Item User". So the existence of Alchemist/錬金術師 wouldn't make much of a difference to the devs or the JP players.Quote:
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11-08-2019, 05:36 PMShurrikhanDoctors don't make the medicine itself any more effective. Someone else pouring a potion down your throat doesn't make the potion any more significant than if you drank it yourself. Lobbing it at someone would affect its potency, admittedly, but only for the worse.Quote:
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11-08-2019, 06:42 PMVictorTheed
We already got enough magical healers for now, I'd like something different then a magical healer, I'd like a more non magical based healer like a field medic or chemist or some kind of combat doctor.
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11-08-2019, 10:54 PMMikkoAkureSo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andevom
Summoner, bard, red mage, dancer, and dark knight are all different degrees of being different from their source job yet they’re in the game. There’s even whole threads on people being upset they didn’t FFXIV-ize blue mage to fit it in the rest of the game. -
11-09-2019, 12:23 AMLineageRazorWe already had these. They were not well-received. When Yoshi P took over and started fixing 1.0, one of the first things he did was move away from unique and original jobs, like Thaumaturge and Pugilist (remember, in 1.0 they were VERY different - THM, for example, had no elemental magic at all, no fire, ice, or thunder - they were not just weaker versions of the jobs they unlock) and toward the fan-service Final Fantasy classic jobs that folks were thirsty for.Quote:
Originally Posted by VenKitsune
Maybe we'll get a totally original job someday. Maybe. But classic jobs are much more likely, and there's no harm in speculating about which we'll get, and what they might be like.
Also, there's not much point in speculating about jobs that AREN'T classic jobs, because they can be literally anything. There's nothing stopping a player from writing up a ten-thousand word description of their new Brick-tosser DPS class, with loving descriptions of each job ability and what level they come at, as well as lore descriptions of the job's origins and how it fits into the world - but to what point? If anything, that would DECREASE the odds of BRK ever making it into the game, because SE would open themselves up to plagiarism lawsuits if they created anything that was too similar. It's purely an exercise in creative writing. -
11-09-2019, 12:30 AMJybrilHow would it not make sense? Have some ALC stay at home and have battle ALC's aka CHM's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andevom
They can just have 2 branches or something. The CHM's would be the ones that aid
people in the battlefield. Not that hard to really come up with a story on it lol.
I don't even care how they do it at this point. I just wanna new healer dangit lol. -
11-09-2019, 01:47 AMAndevomSummoner: Summons creatures to aid the party in battle. FFXIV's SMN does this.Quote:
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Red Mage: Casts both black and white magic, battles with swords. FFXIV's RDM does this.
Dark Knight: Heavily armored, battles with Great Swords, uses Darkness-based attacks. FFXIV's DRK does this.
Dancer: Dances to both harm the enemy and buff the party. FFXIV'S DNC does this.
Main Series Chemist: Mixes items in the inventory to create various effects. I don't see that working in XIV as it requires consumables to work.
FFT's Chemist: Throws healing items = Useless in XIV. It's an initial job you use because you have no other viable means of healing people at that point in the game. Chemist abilities literally just unlock which items they can use. A starter Chemist, for whatever reason, has no idea how to drink or throw a Hi-Potion because I guess the glass vials they're in are more sophisticated somehow.
Players are upset about BLU because it's a Limited Job more than anything else. The reason they want it changed is so it can be a traditional job that can be used in all content. Again, this has similar issues because doing so runs the risk of stripping the job's identity down to the point where "It dresses like a Blue Mage, but that's about it." BLU is a little less dramatic because, I suppose, you *could* rework the job. I'm just not exactly sure how. -
11-09-2019, 02:27 AMGrumbleBeardCrazy idea, but maybe try using your imagination. The potions they use don't need to be the actual consumables in game. For flavor , their deal could be adding aether to mixes to create powerful heals. Have em toss the potion and snipe it above the target to splash em with the healing junk. There are tons of ways you could work it into the game.Quote:
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11-09-2019, 02:28 AMBrightshadowBecause you are equating that alchemist and battle chemist are the same thing when in reality they aren't so I am presenting a real life example of how to think of it. Sure doctors prescribe the medication but if you were to take whatever you thought was good enough you would probably hurt yourself or kill yourself. ALAS why chemist could be a medicus because they have knowledge on how to take more advance medication and how to combine it with other medicine for glorious effects.Quote:
...What? Are you really trying to equate a fantasy MMORPG to real life to form an argument? And secondly, doctors don't make or augment medicine, they prescribe it based on a diagnosis.
The name was brought up because many people have discuss how alchemist = chemist which isn't true, they are similar ill give them that.Quote:
I'm not even arguing the name
And with that logic why don't machinist and bards have to buy bolts and bullets? I don't see anyone complaining about that ruining the aesthetic and function of the job. What people mostly want with a chemist is a job that aesthetic uses potions and has the mix command which can be accomplished with some type of system like the mudra system.Quote:
more how the mechanics of the job don't really work with XIV's gameplay. Chemists fool around with stuff in your inventory to make either buffing or damaging effects. Works great in a turn based RPG where you can open up menus easily. Strip that away, and you're just going more for the aesthetic than the actual function of the job.
But they administrate the medicine and doctors can prescribe two or more medications to make them more effective which is essentially what the mix command does. If we didn't have doctors/medics we would have alot of more dead people around the world due to overdoses and such.Quote:
Doctors don't make the medicine itself any more effective. Someone else pouring a potion down your throat doesn't make the potion any more significant than if you drank it yourself. Lobbing it at someone would affect its potency, admittedly, but only for the worse.