i guess im in the minority but i love the new ninja. it was never my main but i like how it feels like the opposite of rdm where as rdm are spellcaster with some melee, the new nin is melee with some spells. i miss kassatsu being guaranteed crit though.
5.1 NIN slowed down and uninteresting
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11-06-2019, 06:54 AMErzaScarlet77
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11-06-2019, 08:59 AMSatarnYou wouldn't be using it more than that anyways. It's 120 sec to line up perfectly with TCJ and every other TA, which is the only time you put up Suiton outside of setting up TA. Raiton is 800 potency and Bava only 300, so you never want to waste ninjutsu cd just for 50 ninki. With everything being so streamlined now, there's no need to manipulate your ninki to line up Bunshin with TA, you should always naturally have 50 when Bunshin goes off cd and you should use it right away unless there's downtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwago
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11-06-2019, 01:31 PMShalfu
The slowness described on "waiting for the mudras" isn't really an issue when you play with it a little under optimal gameplay.
Mainly the mudras are used inside trick attack, in which you have plenty abilities you should be using, making the time between the last ninjutsu execution and the next mudra way shorter than what i was back in 5.0X
It does indeed feel kinda sad in between trick attacks, where you only use a bhava or a bunshin and a bhava up until your next trick.
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11-13-2019, 09:13 AMSolowing
That's a bit of the problem. The game shouldn't dumb down its classes based off players who play on suboptimal conditions. If that's the case there should be no off global cooldowns in game. They took what ninja unique and stripped it out do the latency an accessibility. Please change hurt players who played ninja more than it hurt those who didn't
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11-30-2019, 03:17 AMGeminaThis is basically where I am at. I loved the high APM of NIN, but all of the botched openers I encountered because an input did not register drove me absolutely crazy. It is far more playable for me now, and more enjoyable as a result of that. I would love for the higher APM/eccentric NIN to work in the same way, but it just didn't. Previous mudra system was never harmonious with the GCD, and they worked against each other; making NIN one of the clunkiest jobs in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
If there are two numbers I really wish I could see from previous NIN to this one, is how much my pDPS has gone up, and how much my GCD clipping has gone down. The mudra charges are also godsend in content previous to gaining Huton refreshers. I love taking my NIN into roulettes because of this change alone. -
11-30-2019, 08:27 AMDzianRation would nearly always clip your gcds even on the fastest of connections it was just a case of how much it would clip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaeoni
Also as far as connection goes bandwidth or speed doesn't matter so much it's all about latency.
As an example my mobile phone running 4g can hit like 50meg download and 7or8 meg upload speeds but generally has a horrific latency of between 200-350ms.
My home broadband is only 25meg download and 6upload. But I get a latency of 100-150ms.
Basically my 25meg connection is better for gaming than my 50 meg connection.
Bandwidth or speed isnt so Important for gaming. All bandwidth and speed means is your sending and receiving larger packets of data. But for gaming purposes it's not the size of the packets that makes a difference but how fast they get there. That's why faster internet doesn't always mean better internet.
Anyway ninja wise I do wish I didnt have to wait after finishing a combo to start using madras that just feels clunky to me.
But my biggest peeve personally is I think they should just scrap assassinate entirely and just bang its potency onto dream. Because it's just an unnecessary button with it's current design -
11-30-2019, 11:27 AMSJWhatI'm not really sure why they have Assassinate work the way it does now. It's not depth; it is just button bloat in an expansion where they seemed concerned about the bloat. This, along with Mug feeling outdated in design, along with the change they made to Shadow Fang are my only real gripes with NIN as it is now. On that note it's also a bit strange that Rogue has no 50 capstone anymore. Just a bit strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
I like the Mudra changes now that I've gotten used to the speed. Fighting bad latency has always been a problem of mine, and now I almost never mess them up anymore, plus I think that it makes our burst window a little bit easier to understand. Maybe NIN is a little easier to play for it, but I wouldn't call it dumbed down. They could still clean up the Job in other areas though, but I'm happy with Ninjutsu for now. -
12-03-2019, 09:47 AMRyaz
Starting to level my ninja again and liking the changes so far. It still flows smoothly and I like the slightly slowed down gameplay.
I have a question-- what is the Raiton vs Fuma situation now with the changes? When do you ever even use fuma outside of something like Ten Chi Jin? -
12-03-2019, 02:11 PMMerlinCrossMug at least is a Ninki gain button still. Assassinate just needs to be well Assassinated. Also two things, one Isn't Shadowfang the Rouge Cap? and 2, if you meant capstone in the way of traits, well this expansion has kinda just made me believe they hate Traits.Quote:
Originally Posted by SJWhat
I also don't know if it's "Dumbed down" but it feels too slow for me to play happily again. -
12-04-2019, 05:38 AMSatarnUse Raiton unless you're in Kassatsu - in which case use Hyosho Ranryu - or when you need to put up Suiton/Huton. Fuma is, like you suspected, only used during TCJ(and at low levels obv).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryaz