Previous Feast Armors for Wolf Collars?

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Originally Posted by swiss_Momo

nice assumptions there. I'm simply aware of around were my skill ceiling is in PvP, and "just bruteforce grind your way to Diamond, lol" doesn't work if you're stuck in ranged queue hell. (also I got a bit too much latency to find healing enjoyable)
All I'm asking for is a better compensation of my time spend that isn't some old glam weapon (that now everyone will mistake for one of the current tome weapons) sometimes in a year or so.

For example: in an older thread on this topic I brought up the idea of adding a new form of currency to ranked feast that is on a low weekly cap. So by playing x games. week for y weeks in total you get access to a new seasonal reward (or those of older seasons). This would also give people a reason to stay engaged in ranked throughout the whole season.

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Every season I've played; I've played as Range, sometimes on days I work only a few games in one evening and I could go days without a win for that reason - but I did it because it's the nature of being a popular role in solo queue and because I wanted the rewards. It's not an excuse. If you can't deal with 15min queues, learn another role. Enough mediocre healers have made it into the top 100 every season because due to the shortage you're forced to carry them and they're forced to at least marginally improve.

Latency is not an excuse either, back when every DC was in NA (well, Canada to be exact) we had plenty of European healers in the top 100 with high ms, and this was back when we had PvE abilities too. Tanking and melee roles have both had reasonably low queue times as well. One of the best Healers we had on Chaos throughout Stormblood is from the UAE (think he even got rank one a couple of seasons)


So whilst you're sarcastically saying "nice assumptions" - all I'm seeing from you are excuses as to why you can't be bothered to improve, really. That might not be the case, but it's clear to others that's exactly how you come across in your post. No-one is saying that there should be a wider use for collars, but it's ridiculous to suggest that those of us who do care should get a slap in the face because the rewards we had to stomach solo queue to get you can just meme your way to be finishing gold for a couple of seasons in a row (a tier that you basically get into for free) for the same reward.

Perhaps replica versions of the armour could be added as an option, so not only does this give a chance to players who don't own the originals to enjoy them, but also those who did work hard to obtain them previously don't feel their accomplishments are invalidated.

Thoughts?

its definitely a touchy subject

you don't really want to butcher peoples achievements

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Perhaps replica versions of the armour could be added as an option, so not only does this give a chance to players who don't own the originals to enjoy them, but also those who did work hard to obtain them previously don't feel their accomplishments are invalidated.

Thoughts?

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One day I want to do UCOB, because of the weapon glams from it. The content is still as difficult as it always has been. However if a year down the line SE told me "just do 50 expert dungeons and 50 extreme trials and you can have a recolor of it" I'd forget about doing UCOB completely and just go for the recolor because it's the easier option and is more or less the same item. Meanwhile those who struggled for days, weeks, whatever to clear UCOB would understandably be pretty pissed that even though I don't have the same weapons they got from it, I got something similar enough for less than a fraction of the effort required. By all means if they want to recycle rewards later on for the top 100, go ahead. But generally the way life works is you should have to earn something to be able to enjoy it. I want to enjoy owning an AMG GT, but I haven't worked hard enough yet to buy one. Admittedly this is dissimilar because unlike exclusive gear, I at least will for the foreseeable option have the option of buying the car, but you get the idea.

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

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I get what you are saying although I'll look at it like this, if the item/gear whatever is still available though original means (such as UCOB, it's still there) then there should not be any replica. If however it's something no longer obtainable such as the White Raven Earrings (and we know the backlash that got last year), then a replica option should be considered.

So I'd like to think either they recycle the rewards so players have another chance to get them, and yes they can work hard for them, or replicas (earned through the same method) to be added, possibly....

I mean, if Ultimate was locked off after it's "season" ended (post implementation patch, Ultimate does get easier due to gear and strategies being completely researched and publicly available, and there's no distinction between an on-content Legend and a post-content Legend), there'd be a bit closer of an analogy. That said, Ultimate also isn't competitive in the same way a pvp mode is, and it's not meant to be; I'm glad UCoB is still open for use, and I'm glad they didn't allow unsynching (I probably would have / will be unsubbed if they did / do)

I definitely don't know a good answer. If I ever want more UCoB or UWU totems, they're still open for me to do any time. If I were going for first time kill, that is likewise the answer. That doesn't seem to be the case with Feast rewards, and with regards to that it's just the nature of the content. My own interest in pvp is beyond casual, and I'm personally bad at joining new communities, but I'm also not going to beg for Feast Too 100 rewards.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

I get what you are saying although I'll look at it like this, if the item/gear whatever is still available though original means (such as UCOB, it's still there) then there should not be any replica. If however it's something no longer obtainable such as the White Raven Earrings (and we know the backlash that got last year), then a replica option should be considered.

So I'd like to think either they recycle the rewards so players have another chance to get them, and yes they can work hard for them, or replicas (earned through the same method) to be added, possibly....

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Yeah, I don't ask for people to agree - only to understand. UCOB is still extremely difficult (jobs have had changes, but the raid is mechanically the same), PvP on the other hand one season can drastically be different from another. In fact the next season as it stands is an example, many jobs have had an overhaul in abilities, with more abilities to come in 5.1, light medals have been removed, range will potentially become a more difficult role than melee due to being the main target again and without recup/safeguard, we are extremely squishy and can be trained into the ground. Recycling but for the same requirement it had before and with some variation so PvPers know the difference seasonally (for example, our mount recolors on the chair and roader) would probably be an "ok" middle ground for me. To recycle it as it is, or recolor it and say "just get a few collars every season playing meme games that require minimal effort" is not a good model for competitiveness. I'm not going to sit through 300+ games a season unless I want to push Alpha/Beta Wolf (only two titles I don't have) when I already have a Diamond title and can get the reward with far more casual effort because as it stands, you don't get anything DURING the season of play so pushing the ranking is the only thing you have to play for. That to me is a bigger issue than exclusive gear.

you can get a variant of Ultimate weapons now besides Ultima RDM and SAM bit of a bad example

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Originally Posted by Duskane

you can get a variant of Ultimate weapons now besides Ultima RDM and SAM bit of a bad example

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Not really, because the point I was trying to make was if you could get the variant for significantly less effort (and the lesser example effort I gave is still more difficult than it would be to just use collars to buy reskins/replicas) then it devalues the original greatly. If you don't skip over points, whilst the example might not be the best, the concept will still make sense enough to the point where the point is made sufficiently.

PS: Where can I get them.

Ultimate coil ones use the Dreadwirm models, so from final coil. Ultimate Ultima Weapon use the OG relic weapons (First step for those is very easy, and actually pretty fun) and the AF2 weapons for DRK, AST and MCH (allied seals in Ishgard. Also irc you actually get the full AF set for free as a coffer now when completing their lvl 60 job quests)