the viera and the hat

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Originally Posted by Driavna

The reason I responded to you was: is not hard to understand that Churro is salty, and he/she is right about being salty, with SE with how they have cut corners with the two new races. It's clear that he/she knows more hairs and headgear is coming but is still a limited selection. If you happen to like certain hairstyle or headgear and it's never added... bad luck.

Is she/he trollish? Sure. Does matter? Not really.

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Ah, I understand your point more clearly. Thank you for the clarification! I do agree that it's fair to be upset towards SE for things as long as we're also aware that they have at least acknowledged that SE is going to attempt some manner of "fixing" it. Whether or not that will be a good solution, we can only hope for the best until we find out.

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

I don't understand how making holes on hats is SO time consuming.

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I don't know if the process of doing that is the part that takes so long as much as it is getting the product through QA and such. However I won't pretend to be an SE employee and try to justify it or claim I know how it works. Hopefully they come up with a speedy yet quality solution.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

I don't know if the process of doing that is the part that takes so long as much as it is getting the product through QA and such. However I won't pretend to be an SE employee and try to justify it or claim I know how it works. Hopefully they come up with a speedy yet quality solution.

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I have no doubt. If anything, SE can adjust the headgear for miqo'te which is already in the game.

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

I don't understand how making holes on hats is SO time consuming.

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The mesh needs to be resized to fit each head and hair, then the textures need to be applied so that they don't look stretched. Then they need to put all that in game and test it to make sure nothing wonky is happening when the mesh meets the lighting engine and nothing is tearing at the seems depending upon the camera angle. If you've seen screenshots of some of the attempts to mod textures and meshes into various games - or hell just played modded Skyrim - you've probably come across instances where a giant black/various colored triangle just random appears for no discernible reason during gameplay. Play testing and making sure the mesh is rigged properly can catch this, but it's also why it isn't a 'wham bam thank you ma'am' change.

All this is a bit of work in and of itself but then you add onto it the sheer volume of hats this game has and it becomes a huge issue the art team didn't have the time for before the expansion dropped. Then when you take into account the very much needed break the team likely took after the expansion dropped - especially for the art team which was already in crunch but then decided to crunch /HARDER/ to give us even the head pieces we have in the game now for these two races, and it makes sense why we haven't heard about any updates till this point.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

I have no doubt. If anything, SE can adjust the headgear for miqo'te which is already in the game.

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To me, and this is purely speculation on my behalf, I have to wonder if the assortment of ear options for both races poses a new challenge to them when regarding helmets and hats. Both Viera and Hrothgar have multiple ear shapes, some not similar to the others. *looks at the bent viera ears* But maybe those pose no issue and I'm way off! Who knows?

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

To me, and this is purely speculation on my behalf, I have to wonder if the assortment of ear options for both races poses a new challenge to them when regarding helmets and hats. Both Viera and Hrothgar have multiple ear shapes, some not similar to the others. *looks at the bent viera ears* But maybe those pose no issue and I'm way off! Who knows?

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You are likely on point.

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Originally Posted by Enla

The mesh needs to be resized to fit each head and hair, then the textures need to be applied so that they don't look stretched. Then they need to put all that in game and test it to make sure nothing wonky is happening when the mesh meets the lighting engine and nothing is tearing at the seems depending upon the camera angle. If you've seen screenshots of some of the attempts to mod textures and meshes into various games - or hell just played modded Skyrim - you've probably come across instances where a giant black/various colored triangle just random appears for no discernible reason during gameplay. Play testing and making sure the mesh is rigged properly can catch this, but it's also why it isn't a 'wham bam thank you ma'am' change.

All this is a bit of work in and of itself but then you add onto it the sheer volume of hats this game has and it becomes a huge issue the art team didn't have the time for before the expansion dropped. Then when you take into account the very much needed break the team likely took after the expansion dropped - especially for the art team which was already in crunch but then decided to crunch /HARDER/ to give us even the head pieces we have in the game now for these two races, and it makes sense why we haven't heard about any updates till this point.

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Perhaps this is a naive question, but they managed just fine with Au Ra, which I assume took some tweaking of meshes and textures. Why can't they do the same with Viera? A new race is obviously going to take effort, and at this point it just feels like Viera were incredibly rushed.

I could understand if they couldn't meet he Shb deadline, but now that we are past the launch, why cant they go back and start work on fitting all hairstyles and hats to the new races? I'm really struggling to understand this one.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I could understand if they couldn't meet he Shb deadline, but now that we are past the launch, why cant they go back and start work on fitting all hairstyles and hats to the new races? I'm really struggling to understand this one.

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Perhaps they've already started work on some of these things? Obviously none of us will know unless one of you works for SE and can give us the confirmation. But I would like to think they've started work on some of these aspects, even as a background project while they focus on the new raids, dungeons, and balancing. Might be a naive hope, however. They're likely still very busy! :)

I can understand the pre 71 gear not being designed around Viera and Hrothgar but post 71 (SHB gear) was just bad planning.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Perhaps this is a naive question, but they managed just fine with Au Ra, which I assume took some tweaking of meshes and textures. Why can't they do the same with Viera? A new race is obviously going to take effort, and at this point it just feels like Viera were incredibly rushed.

I could understand if they couldn't meet he Shb deadline, but now that we are past the launch, why cant they go back and start work on fitting all hairstyles and hats to the new races? I'm really struggling to understand this one.

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Back then, they had only one race that had the same challenge (the ear-horns) and only the ARR and HW gear to fit. Also, the horns have all the same attach point, are immobile and have the same tapering profile near the head. With vieras and hrothgars, they have a lot more gear and two very different races to work with (even if functionally they are both "half" the job because of the missing gender). It's harder to explain why vieras are so difficult to complete regarding hair styles. It's easier for helms and hats tho. Ideally, the ears would poke from a place that make sense for each piece of gear and wouldn't have the ears move into the metal sheet of your helm (though, with how all the tails clip, I don't see this as a strong argument)..

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

I can understand the pre 71 gear not being designed around Viera and Hrothgar but post 71 (SHB gear) was just bad planning.

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When they annouced them, they said that nothing would show (not even glasses, scarfs and the like). So yeah, they changed their mind at the very last moment ergo the bad planning