Customizable pronouns

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Originally Posted by cinnamonoreo

The character we make in the game is, to some extent, a reflection of us. It's also clear that, even with the limitations we have in the character creator, the people in the world we play in have just as much variety in personalities, appearances, and identities as we do in the real world. Allowing for some variety in pronouns reinforces that.

The pixies using gender neutral language and being natural and unobtrusive about it is one of the best parts of that, really. The fact that you didn't notice the lack of gender in their speech is a win and it goes to show that this is really possible to do without disrupting anything in game for other players.

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I didn't notice it because it's not a thing in my native language as I do not play in english and we have different sets of pronounces and our version of they/them is not used to talk about just one person. And I don't know how they handled it in japanese or french so just because it's in your region like that, it's not universal.

And having as much variety in your customizable choices like the real world does is just not possible. You just can't please everyone there are limitation that come with games. If I decide tomorrow I have a new identity and can't demand companies to go out of there way to include that. And what if that identity changes to a new one? However I don't really know if most people think that the WOL is a reflection of themselves, as many male non-trans players, play female and vice versa and I don't thing they have some hidden identity issues because of that.

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Originally Posted by Scryar

No, it isn't . They have limited resources and i prefer them spending these on content that the majority or a significant minority can enjoy.

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It's allowing one variable set to be changed, a variable that's clearly already in the game. The work needed for this wouldn't delay anything.

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

It doesn't matter what you identify as it's about the character in the game

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Right, the character that we the players get to make and customize. But hey, I'm sure you'd be just as happy if they forced everyone to play the same dude in this MMO.

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and making an agender option would really speak to such a small % of the playerbase it's not worth the effort imo.

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I'd say that they did a lot more work to make a whole new race of cat men to appeal to furries, but Squenix did it and it was a huge hit.

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Good luck, my partner started a thread about non binary pronouns a while back and the amount of adhom’s and the constant barrage of insults made them feel suicidal. I hope you have a thick skin as there’s some real petty people on these forums, as you’ll likely see!

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I hope they're doing better now. ♥ The Internet is a cruel place, indeed.

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Originally Posted by cinnamonoreo

I hope they're doing better now. ♥ The Internet is a cruel place, indeed.

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They were pretty depressed for quite a while, so they decided to stay off the forums for now. Sometimes they use this to add some feedback on the forums since they’re worried they’d get harassed like they were before. I’ll make sure they keep watching this thread though, we certainly don’t need any pettiness and harassment going on here!

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Originally Posted by cinnamonoreo

It's allowing one variable set to be changed, a variable that's clearly already in the game. The work needed for this wouldn't delay anything.

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No it isn't, because currently the pronouns are linked to another piece of data (the character's gender, part of the information already used to display the character model). Splitting them away from that requires a new piece of data that doesn't currently exist.

I have no issue with how people perceive themselves. But shouldn't inclusiveness include accepting that others might perceive you as something different? Npcs think you're male/female and so that is how they treat you.

Not gonna happen. Not unless the majority wanted it and I can tell you now that the majority would be against it actually. Best thing you can do is disconnect yourself from the character or headcanon it but otherwise you're screwed really.

Insults are unwarranted tho imho, even tho I don't believe in nonbinary as a real thing I don't think others should take it too seriously but it is the internet.

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Originally Posted by NealSnow

Not gonna happen. Not unless the majority wanted it and I can tell you now that the majority would be against it actually.

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I don't think the majority would be against it. The majority probably doesn't care one way or the other. My personal opinion is that it is wholly unnecessary when there are far bigger things the devs need to address. But if they found themselves at a point where a lot of things have been taken care of and they wanted to give people this option? Sure, why not. I truly wouldn't care. I'm not against the idea. I just believe in keeping one's priorities straight.

Narangerel lets not deem non-binary people not worth the effort. I get what you are saying but I think your delivery is a little unintentional callous.

Cinnanmonoreo due to the fact that this games code is so old and the pronouns are tide to the sexes, it would not be do-able in my opinion. Maybe in a future game but remember that this game is going out to a huge variety of people but concept of nonbinary is new to the world let alone games. It's something games will have to catch up to, which I'm sure they will in the future. They may use the wrong pronouns to you but always remember it is nothing personal to you and they are not trying to attack non-binary people.