FFXIV Housing = UNBELIEVABLY INFURIATING!

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Most players wouldn't find anything getting destroyed even if all housing was converted to instanced because most players haven't joined communities built around owning a plot in a specific housing ward. You'd still be able to visit the houses of other players with an instanced system, just as you can now, to build communities that way if that's your desire.

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Disagree. Just having all your neighbors removed will destroy a community. Every house and every garden becomes isolated. I oppose this, I've seen this system in SWTOR and Runescape and even FFXIV Apartments. I have plenty of visitors to my house in this game but nobody has ever visited my apartment. You can tell what my house is all about just by looking at it which is not true of an Apartment that just exists in the ether so I'm not surprised no one has seen it. It's just a number in a submenu.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There's no reason why the current ward system can't continue to exist with all future housing added being instanced so all players would have their chance at a house without having to compete over limited ward space.

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Most players calling for instanced housing don't make this distinction. From the sounds of things, they want everything instanced.

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Originally Posted by Edax

Well if you support destroying the player communities, then I oppose you vehemently. My neighbor is a lively FC house with plenty of people coming, going and hanging out by the marketboard and I even cheekily stole their gardening layout which prompted them to redesign. This all gets lost in instanced housing.

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So you're telling me that creating a ward in it's own instance would destroy communities? You really don't see beyond the box they give us for apartments, do you.. That's a little short sighted.

In fact, I am shocked everyone auto thinks this way. Why is that?

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Originally Posted by Edax

I oppose this with every fiber of my being. I've seen instanced housing from Runescape and SWTOR and they were awful. No one ever visited my house in those games and I almost never had any interest of visiting anyone else's house in the game. When the house exists isolated in an instance then you never feel a part of the community.

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So what if random people visit your house or not? You can invite friends/fc members or host RP events in your house instanced or not, which is what will generally draw people there. Does it really matter is some rando walking around sees your house or not?

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Originally Posted by FengZhou

If you think spam clicking placards doesn't impact the server at all, you are sadly mistaken. I will not support botters on any level. I will not support people who think there is nothing wrong with the current system either (they already have what they want half of the time so it's no skin off their nose).

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Originally Posted by FengZhou

So you're telling me that creating a ward in it's own instance would destroy communities? You really don't see beyond the box they give us for apartments, do you.. That's a little short sighted.

In fact, I am shocked everyone auto thinks this way. Why is that?

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If you're destroying all the current wards for your new instanced housing for the sake of fairness and to cut down on botting and signpost clicking, then yes. Obviously signpost clicking is not going to go away if the old ward remain because people will still want to get into them over an instanced ward. SE implemented the timer for a reason and that reason isn't going away with instanced housing if the old physical(?) wards remain.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

So what if random people visit your house or not? You can invite friends/fc members or host RP events in your house instanced or not, which is what will generally draw people there. Does it really matter is some rando walking around sees your house or not?

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Yes, it matters to me. I too visit houses randomly, to see what they've done with them and seek inspiration, often using their gardens as a metric for how serious they are about housing. It's wholly different experience then just moving up the numbers on an instanced Apartment. Even the gardens players make are unique due to the fact they are adapted to where they are in the ward because they exist in a physical(?) digital neighborhood.

Even apartments are limited and on Balmung they aren't always available, let alone houses.

Multi-level apartments with a patio garden would be an improvement but I already know the there would be a mad dash for them and they'd be gone on my server immediately.

I see no other option than instanced housing or they need to provide enough wards and houses for all of their customers. They seem to enjoy a jump in subscriptions well enough, yet don't even provide enough housing for veteran players let alone newcomers.

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Originally Posted by Communion

"This plot of land is not yet ready for purchase."

I think I speak for everyone when I say ....

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Just to say .... you actually don't.

Certainly those who don't like the current housing system are much more vocal on the forums, but we don't know the opinions of the majority of players (most of whom never grace the forums).

Opnions and preferences on gaming forums are plentiful and diverse. It's good to always respect that others may not share our own personal viewpoint.

Just my 2 gil, carry on ...

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Originally Posted by Edax

Most players calling for instanced housing don't make this distinction. From the sounds of things, they want everything instanced.

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IMO it doesn't make sense to remove the housing wards that are currently implemented, or spend a bunch of time converting them. Migrating current houses over would be a giant headache to code. Far easier to build something completely separate that's instanced and unlimited and allow the two systems to co-exist. If they want to use what's already existing for apartments, they're going to have to massively overhaul it, but I wouldn't be opposed to the idea.

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Originally Posted by Edax

If you're destroying all the current wards for your new instanced housing for the sake of fairness and to cut down on botting and signpost clicking, then yes. Obviously signpost clicking is not going to go away if the old ward remain because people will still want to get into them over an instanced ward. SE implemented the timer for a reason and that reason isn't going away with instanced housing if the old physical(?) wards remain.



Yes, it matters to me. I too visit houses randomly, to see what they've done with them and seek inspiration, often using their gardens as a metric for how serious they are about housing. It's wholly different experience then just moving up the numbers on an instanced Apartment. Even the gardens players make are unique due to the fact they are adapted to where they are in the ward because they exist in a physical(?) digital neighborhood.

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You still don't get it, do you. You want to keep it the way it is because it's how YOU want it, which leaves the MAJORITY of the player base stuck spamming or encouraging them to use auto clickers. Every house I've fought for this week and LOST.. was lost to people cheating. I sat there for 13 and a half hours and lost it to a bot.

I'm sorry but your little joy of snooping into people's houses is supporting this beyond broken system.

I find it sad that the people who like this, or the 2.0 method, already have what they want and just seem to come in here to dump on players who see it for what it is.. a broken and extremely unhealthy system.

Instancing wards is the SOLE solution. Period. Anyone who has any cents to rub together when it comes to game systems design can already see that.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh to you, but you're being rather ridiculous and not considering people aside from yourself. You can't even see how moving wards OFF of the dungeon server and onto their OWN server via instances can solve a lot of server troubles. A ward will always be that, a ward, that's open.. within it's own instance that people can come and go to whoever's home is open etc.

I don't even see why you are insistent on arguing this point unless you just don't want people to enjoy housing as well.

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Originally Posted by FengZhou

You still don't get it, do you. You want to keep it the way it is because it's how YOU want it, which leaves the MAJORITY of the player base stuck spamming or encouraging them to use auto clickers. Every house I've fought for this week and LOST.. was lost to people cheating. I sat there for 13 and a half hours and lost it to a bot.

I'm sorry but your little joy of snooping into people's houses is supporting this beyond broken system.

I find it sad that the people who like this, or the 2.0 method, already have what they want and just seem to come in here to dump on players who see it for what it is.. a broken and extremely unhealthy system.

Instancing wards is the SOLE solution. Period. Anyone who has any cents to rub together when it comes to game systems design can already see that.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh to you, but you're being rather ridiculous and not considering people aside from yourself. You can't even see how moving wards OFF of the dungeon server and onto their OWN server via instances can solve a lot of server troubles. A ward will always be that, a ward, that's open.. within it's own instance that people can come and go to whoever's home is open etc.

I don't even see why you are insistent on arguing this point unless you just don't want people to enjoy housing as well.

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For the record, It would take more than 150,000,000 players to have a single person locked out of housing. Players chose to opt out of housing by their own will, no the other way around.

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Originally Posted by FengZhou

You still don't get it, do you. You want to keep it the way it is because it's how YOU want it

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WHY WOULDN'T I?

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Originally Posted by FengZhou

Instancing wards is the SOLE solution.

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Your opinion is noted.

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Originally Posted by FengZhou

Anyone who has any cents to rub together when it comes to game systems design can already see that.

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I don't believe your declaration.
The burden of proof is on you to prove that since the FFXIV game devs created this system and not yours.

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Originally Posted by FengZhou

I don't even see why you are insistent on arguing this point unless you just don't want people to enjoy housing as well.

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You already told me it's because it is how I want it. Connect the dots.