Square Enix, please think about both Casual AND Hardcore crafters..

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Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams

I absolutely disagree with that. That is not true, whatsoever. As someone who has crafted during those patches, using macros for end game crafts will almost guarantee that you NQ it. You had to manual craft it, and think carefully about the choices you make.

With prudent Touch and 5.0 actions, it makes it to where you don’t need to manually think about anything.

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/ac "Komfortzone" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Innere Ruhe" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Nachhaltigkeit" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Ruhige Hand II" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Veredelung" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Veredelung" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Veredelung" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Veredelung" <me>


/ac "Veredelung" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Große Schritte" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Ruhige Hand" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Einfallsreichtum" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Solide Veredelung" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Große Schritte" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Byregots Benediktion" <me>
/wait 3
/ac "Sorgfältige Bearbeitung II" <me>

...despite it being german: This is my 80-dura macro dating back to 2014 that I used for all crafts. I had one for 40-dura too, but I dont want to overload this post. I recall them not being 100% and more like 90-100% but with the amount of crafting at least I did back then I wouldnt have done it without macros.

And we went over this topic in several threads now - RNG =/= challenging.

They've also announced the restauration of Ishgard as content for hardcore endgame crafters - why dont you wait til 5.1 and see if thats what you have in mind instead of requesting content for endgame crafters every other week and going about it in the worst possible way: by making it less accessible to "casual" crafters and adding more RNG?
RNG doesnt require skill. It requires luck.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

I was not advocating it, though I’d not be against removal of macros.

BTW, ACT may be a grey area, if all its doing is parsing the log file and providing audio triggers. But, third party apps that would actually craft in game for people would definitely be against the TOS. Not sure why you would think that people who use macros now would suddenly do something that could get them banned ...

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I was not talking about the grey area of third party app use or the use of anything automated.

I meant to state how it can be lazy design if the players feel they have to look outside of the game every time they craft a complex rotation (could be an image, text file, visualization app, etc). Macros are fun to make as you're adjusting them to your ever growing power and a convenience after solving a puzzle.

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Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams

Thank you. That is probably the only sensible comment I have seen so far. That’s why me and my girlfriend removed “Goddess/God of the Hand” title because it is meaningless. There is nothing exclusive about it anymore. Only players that get exclusivity, are raiders. Why is it that they get rewarded but crafters do not? Everybody should have the chance to feel rewarded, really.

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Not everyone has these titles or feats. Just because it is easy for you and your circle doesn't reflect on the player-base at large. The majority of the people I try and help end up stopping at level 15. Getting to the "easy rotations" requires a lot of time and effort. Not many, comparatively, make it to omnicrafter status.

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Originally Posted by Cleanse

Not everyone has these titles or feats. Just because it is easy for you and your circle doesn't reflect on the player-base at large. The majority of the people I try and help end up stopping at level 15. Getting to the "easy rotations" requires a lot of time and effort. Not many, comparatively, make it to omnicrafter status.

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They're conflating difficulty with time. Probably thinks Pagos is the crowning achievement of relic steps too.

I liked the Hasty Touch days. No guarantee of HQ made things feel more valuable. Now it feels like everyone becomes an instant winner and gets a participation trophy.

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Originally Posted by Cleanse

Not everyone has these titles or feats. Just because it is easy for you and your circle doesn't reflect on the player-base at large. The majority of the people I try and help end up stopping at level 15. Getting to the "easy rotations" requires a lot of time and effort. Not many, comparatively, make it to omnicrafter status.

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The player base at large is also largely irrelevant when considering the needs of the people who focus on particular types of content. Savage is likewise going to be niche content that a relatively small portion of the playerbase will ever engage with, yet it's still developed three times per expansion, not to mention Ultimate fights, and stocked with appropriate rewards for those who choose to pursue them. That many players will never fully commit to crafting is not a good argument against letting players who focus on crafting be rewarded for their commitment and investment, just as happens in other areas of the game. Crafting needs to be accessible, but it's already extremely accessible. It doesn't need to be trivialized.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

The player base at large is also largely irrelevant when considering the needs of the people who focus on particular types of content. Savage is likewise going to be niche content that a relatively small portion of the playerbase will ever engage with, yet it's still developed three times per expansion, not to mention Ultimate fights, and stocked with appropriate rewards for those who choose to pursue them. That many players will never fully commit to crafting is not a good argument against letting players who focus on crafting be rewarded for their commitment and investment, just as happens in other areas of the game. Crafting needs to be accessible, but it's already extremely accessible. It doesn't need to be trivialized.

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You mean, like a competitive crafting focused area where the players themselves determine the rate of progress while also competing for the top leaderboard spot for whatever rewards they entail?

Something like that?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You mean, like a competitive crafting focused area where the players themselves determine the rate of progress while also competing for the top leaderboard spot for whatever rewards they entail?

Something like that?

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No. I mean like crafting actually in and of itself rewarding investment in it by opening up a wider selection of crafts, rather than the situation that existed in SB and will almost certainly exist in ShB where you can hammer out a few ezpz scrip turn ins and get casual gear that will still let you 100% HQ top tier crafts. If you are wearing vendor gear, you should not be able to make the current highest star crafts. Period.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

No. I mean like crafting actually in and of itself rewarding investment in it by opening up a wider selection of crafts, rather than the situation that existed in SB and will almost certainly exist in ShB where you can hammer out a few ezpz scrip turn ins and get casual gear that will still let you 100% HQ top tier crafts. If you are wearing vendor gear, you should not be able to make the current highest star crafts. Period.

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Why not?

You can clear ultimate and savage in vendor gear ezpz.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Why not?

You can clear ultimate and savage in vendor gear ezpz.

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I don't really care to give you a remedial lecture on economics.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I don't really care to give you a remedial lecture on economics.

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Oh, what a shame.