Request for Utsusemi

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03-06-2012, 12:02 PM
Xoo

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Let's see.

/NIN sub required.
Utsusemi required.
For what? Everything, or else kick.
Want to purchase? Farm up gil for a month.
Want to get normally? Farm up seals for three weeks, and then pray to RNGJesus that you get it.

Yep, sounds bad enough to me.

How is this in any way far off from what Sentinel is now? I'll agree with you that getting the scroll was bad, but we don't buy/farm spells or abilities in this game.

EDIT: Also, the OP says GIVE IT TO BARD.
03-06-2012, 12:04 PM
Answa

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Let's see.

/NIN sub required.
Utsusemi required.
For what? Everything, or else kick.
Want to purchase? Farm up gil for a month.
Want to get normally? Farm up seals for three weeks, and then pray to RNGJesus that you get it.

Yep, sounds bad enough to me.

It wasn't required for everything. It was just useful. It took me years to get a scroll and I was still invited to parties. Hang around with asses and the above will happen to you.
03-06-2012, 12:07 PM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Um, so you're saying that having that 'other' tank as an option was a bad thing?

That other tank wasn't an option for 90% of content. Why couldn't the two types of tanks be equal, or at least as close to equal as possible, in all content?

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You do realize how hard it was to find a single Paladin when you needed one?

Do you know why? It was because nobody wanted to level a Paladin, because nobody in exp parties cared to have a Paladin tank. Everyone wanted a Ninja, and it was directly reflected in the end-game population of tanks.

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Perhaps it wasn't Utsusemi alone that negated the usefulness of other subs - rather, the uselessness of said subs.

No, /NIN negated the other subs because Utsusemi was so far above the other abilities that other subs provided, that you would be f**king stupid not to take it. It gave you no-brainer, easy-mode defenses for tanks and exponentially higher damage for DPS classes. There was no other sub that you could use, because they were all s**t by comparison.
03-06-2012, 12:07 PM
Chardrizard

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Originally Posted by Answa

It wasn't required for everything. It was just useful. It took me years to get a scroll and I was still invited to parties. Hang around with asses and the above will happen to you.

By everything he meant endgame content.
03-06-2012, 12:08 PM
Firon

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Um, so you're saying that having that 'other' tank as an option was a bad thing? You do realize how hard it was to find a single Paladin when you needed one? Perhaps it wasn't Utsusemi alone that negated the usefulness of other subs - rather, the uselessness of said subs.

No pld became a blink tank.... I said an DEF base tank became a blink tank..... the skill was too good.
03-06-2012, 12:09 PM
Wolfie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xoo

How is this in any way far off from what Sentinel is now? I'll agree with you that getting the scroll was bad, but we don't buy/farm spells or abilities in this game.

EDIT: Also, the OP says GIVE IT TO BARD.

Just because Sentinel now is another cookie-cutter skill that everyone has to have does not mean that FFXI's Utsusemi and NIN were any good for the game. It means Sentinel should probably be nerfed, and fights retuned so that they don't all depend on one single ability from one class.
03-06-2012, 12:09 PM
Jinrya-Geki

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Sorry, but all I've heard so far is, collectively: UTSUSEMI SUCKS. OMGWTFLOL TROLL.

Is it possible you guys can give some details of why you think so?

Because some people will want it as a requirement in their linkshell. It makes people lazy.

And that other tank option would just become the one tank again, Ninja.
03-06-2012, 12:10 PM
Firon

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

That other tank wasn't an option for 90% of content. Why couldn't the two types of tanks be equal, or at least as close to equal as possible, in all content?

Do you know why? It was because nobody wanted to level a Paladin, because nobody in exp parties cared to have a Paladin tank. Everyone wanted a Ninja, and it was directly reflected in the end-game population of tanks.

No, /NIN negated the other subs because Utsusemi was so far above the other abilities that other subs provided, that you would be f**king stupid not to take it. It gave you no-brainer, easy-mode defenses for tanks and exponentially higher damage for DPS classes. There was no other sub that you could use, because they were all s**t by comparison.

Idk how long you played XI but pld was pretty much the go to tank for everything. Except maybe exp pt's that's all.
03-06-2012, 12:14 PM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by Firon

Idk how long you played XI but pld was pretty much the go to tank for everything. Except maybe exp pt's that's all.

PLD was the go-to tank for linkshells that didn't have a NIN tank that was well geared, and for the very few NMs that hit like a Mack truck and required a tank with high HP and defense.

And even for those, PLD/NIN was an exceedingly common tank. FFXI's NIN job saw more love and overpowered skills than any class in any MMO I've played.
03-06-2012, 12:15 PM
Xoo

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

That other tank wasn't an option for 90% of content. Why couldn't the two types of tanks be equal, or at least as close to equal as possible, in all content?

Blood tanking or evasion tanking. The situation/enemy decided.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Do you know why? It was because nobody wanted to level a Paladin, because nobody in exp parties cared to have a Paladin tank. Everyone wanted a Ninja, and it was directly reflected in the end-game population of tanks.

Possibly nobody wanted to level Paladin, and equally as possible that many had already done so.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

No, /NIN negated the other subs because Utsusemi was so far above the other abilities that other subs provided, that you would be f**king stupid not to take it. It gave you no-brainer, easy-mode defenses for tanks and exponentially higher damage for DPS classes. There was no other sub that you could use, because they were all s**t by comparison.

Was Paladin not even easier to tank with? Flash > Provoke? Sounds pretty technical!

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