Healers need other ways to contribute to party DPS instead of boring filler spells.

IMHO
1. Need more incoming damage to the raid.
1a. Not exactly raid wide, but 1-3 targets with less predictability.
1b. Incoming tank damage needs to go up, goes hand in hand with the Tanks not using tank stances while tanking.

2. More reason to be MP efficient.
2a. Being able to get away with just using Cure 2/Benefic 2 and Medica 2/Aspected Helios is just wrong. Needs to feel more resource punishing to rely on. Ironically by not having extra tools SCH ends up feeling like a better designed Healer.
2b. It is just waaay to easy to regain depleted MP, the only MP bars that are easier to maintain are DRK/PLD and BLM.

The problem with people wanting more specific actions for healing DPS is that it's incredibly difficult to balance around all content types and/or therefore making certain abilities redundant. All healers have a DoT, an AoE and a single target spell because it's pretty simple to balance.

Also, I think that the MP efficiency was to help newer players. It's a bonus if you have been here a while and know how to manage MP, but its easy to see newer healers mess up spamming Cure IIs through something like Hannuke Manor.

We can't look at the game like everyone is an experienced healer, bored to their teeth. I run a lot of content on my DRK, and lemme tell ya, a lot of healers still have a learning curve to get there. Most healers I encounter can't even keep their DoT uptime at a decent level on a boss. And you want to give them more complexity?

I will agree that damage is absurdly negligible once over geared, but this is a separate issue, though still relevant in this case. I also agree that DPSing as a healer can be boring when it's all you're doing. It is however quite engaging when you're weaving it between heals WHEN the healing requirement is higher.

I think going forward, the devs have to stop allowing us to be so over geared for synced content. I just got out of roulette with story mode Bismark. One tank got knocked off twice resulting in an equal number of wipes since the sinuwas remained tethered. This tank got knocked off again on the third, so I tanked the second Sinuwa with my SCH. THIS SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE!

For our experienced healers, I believe what's needed is a new healer that incorporates these new and more DPS engaging mechanics. In fact, I would say they are ripe for it.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

For our experienced healers, I believe what's needed is a new healer that incorporates these new and more DPS engaging mechanics. In fact, I would say they are ripe for it.

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Yes please.

Also I see you showing level 62 - yay Stormblood! If you want company for anything my discord is in my signature \o/

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

Yes please.

Also I see you showing level 62 - yay Stormblood! If you want company for anything my discord is in my signature \o/

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It was 60 for the longest time wasn't it? What can I say? I take the path of greatest resistance. But in truth, it takes a well thought out decision to move on. I milked ARR completely dry before moving on to HW, and heading out east also wasn't happening until I accomplished most - if not all I wanted to in 3.0.

I am really enjoying SB despite the ample servings of humble pie. I am not sure if you want my company though. I would advise bringing a few potions ;p In all seriousness though, thank you. It really means a lot when a hand of help is extended.

Forgive me, but I'm pretty sure healers contribute to the party's DPS by keeping everyone alive. As long as you have at least 1 HP, you can attack.

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Originally Posted by Ceallach

Forgive me, but I'm pretty sure healers contribute to the party's DPS by keeping everyone alive. As long as you have at least 1 HP, you can attack.

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That's like saying, tanks contribute enough just by holding hate or DPS contribute enough just by autoattacking.

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Originally Posted by Ceallach

Forgive me, but I'm pretty sure healers contribute to the party's DPS by keeping everyone alive. As long as you have at least 1 HP, you can attack.

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Cool, I'll remember I can kill myself in AoEs or by jumping off the edge when it's possible - I'll just blame the healer, keeping me alive is their dps contribution after all.

Lol.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

That's like saying, tanks contribute enough just by holding hate

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This I'd agree with. It is the tank's primary duty. The thing is damage is a form of enmity gain, so they have a reason to try to push their DPS.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

Cool, I'll remember I can kill myself in AoEs or by jumping off the edge when it's possible - I'll just blame the healer, keeping me alive is their dps contribution after all.

Lol.

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Alternatively, you could not be a sarcastic lout and put healers in impossible situations.

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Originally Posted by Ceallach

This I'd agree with. It is the tank's primary duty. The thing is damage is a form of enmity gain, so they have a reason to try to push their DPS.



Alternatively, you could not be a sarcastic lout and put healers in impossible situations.

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You could not directly insult people (which is against forum ToS) but considering this exchange started with you suggested healer dps was literally the party dps because they would die without the healer I don't think we are dealing in logic and reason.

Tanks, dps and healers should all be killing the enemies and doing the best to keep the party alive, it's just a matter of what your kit can do for that. A healer not dpsing is no better than a dps dragging AoE into the party - both are lazy, selfish and stupid.