Please read about Physical Levels and Removing them.

umm do you even know what hybrids are >. >
I took dnc to 90 and solo most things ppl need groups for.
Hybrids are those who are versitile. They are not melee only or magic only.

Hybrids are a mix of the 2. paladin melee and cast magic. so does rdm so does blu ninja (tools vs mana) and dancer (tp vs mana) rdm can actually take a bit of a beating if geared for it as it has alot of self buffers. I found this out by accidently walking into a sata. if I didn't panic and self cured I woulda been better, I didn't die though.

dancers had a mild provoke actaually and I tanked with it a few times. I out lasted a pld @ lvl 30 on an accidental dhamel link. And it wad full hp I tanked it as dnc/war just self curing with a single dagger (pre patch)

I solo'ed the COP sea missions all the way up to the race light. A dnc can solo nearly all the mobs in sea minus that UFO thinngy.

to me the easiest way is to instead of removing physical at all to drastically lower the amount of points you receive per level.

my idea was first to give each class it's own set of stats so you do not have to reallot each time you change. second, was lower the points you receive per level be it phy or class level be 1pt. in other wotds a r40 phy with a r30 pug would have a total of 70 points that could be allocated on PUG ONLY. that would allow the gear and accessories(+5 acc rings) to actually be a boost with its stats not just garbage that doesn't matter. also if you dropped to another class you would have some bearing on the work you had done in the game up to that point, but not have enough points like a max out like it is now. so if you got 40 phy and dropped to a r15 class you would have 55pts to allocate on whatever that class it is instead of the game looking at it as if you were lvl 50 as far as points are concerned.

i know it would take a little while to set your stats on each and every class, but once you did it once you would not have to redo stats on each class change. then the only time you would need to change stats is like going from healer to nuker with the mage and it would be a minor set or changes done every now and then not everytime you use that class.

If they changed it so stats were the primary dictator of character performance rather then the tool or weapon we had equipped. I would honestly like to see stats being based on class and rank, with physical level contributing bonus points that we could allot globally on top of that. Now of course the amount of points we get per plvl would have to be modifyed for the sake of balance. but this would at least give every one a nice stable base on statistical performance.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

umm do you even know what hybrids are >. >
I took dnc to 90 and solo most things ppl need groups for.
Hybrids are those who are versitile. They are not melee only or magic only.

Hybrids are a mix of the 2. paladin melee and cast magic. so does rdm so does blu ninja (tools vs mana) and dancer (tp vs mana) rdm can actually take a bit of a beating if geared for it as it has alot of self buffers. I found this out by accidently walking into a sata. if I didn't panic and self cured I woulda been better, I didn't die though.

dancers had a mild provoke actaually and I tanked with it a few times. I out lasted a pld @ lvl 30 on an accidental dhamel link. And it wad full hp I tanked it as dnc/war just self curing with a single dagger (pre patch)

I solo'ed the COP sea missions all the way up to the race light. A dnc can solo nearly all the mobs in sea minus that UFO thinngy.

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lol welcome to post abysea ffxi.
Anyways listen not everyone like your style of playing.Hybrids are great for solo and screwing around.
Some people LIKE to cooperate in a party and play their given roles, for people like me is what MMOs are all about.

Like i said , some hybrids are fine , but right now everything can/is an hybrid of some kind in FFXIV.This is unacceptable.

FFXI right now is nothin compared to what it was when 75 was the cap, difficulty wise.
Some people like it hard some dont .Some people like to solo, others like to party play.
FFXIV right now is a solo game.They only reason people team up is becouse it increases their sp rate.What ever their performance is good or bad, their stats are allocated correctly or they are geared correctly have a minimal impact on the outcome.
Hell even Nms are about numbers and not party coperation for the most part.

Are you seriously OK with this?I honestly dont understand why even bother to play a MMO like this.

zk I play rdm melee till 70 and therwe are many vid of melee rdm taking down maat. min/maxers = elitist who ruin games. Being the best is working as a team And not everyone is the same if they don't choose to be. Mix maxers take custmazation out of every mmo.
I wanted to play this game as a fire casting monk as my character was going to have a fire theme. I'll have 2 types of dmg ready for use.

in reality min/maxers are first to die and complain about parties.

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zk I play rdm melee till 70 and therwe are many vid of melee rdm taking down maat. min/maxers = elitist who ruin games. Being the best is working as a team And not everyone is the same if they don't choose to be. Mix maxers take custmazation out of every mmo.
I wanted to play this game as a fire casting monk as my character was going to have a fire theme. I'll have 2 types of dmg ready for use.

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Yea im a min maxer , so what?Everyone is free to play whatever they like.
Im a party player.I like my coffee hot in the mornings and my games hard , that needs cooperation and difficult party tactics in order to achieve victory.I dont like solo games.You can do whatever hybrid you whant while you dont dificult my game play.

You complain about min/maxers.Then dont play with min/maxers.But basing your whole argument in " i dont like this people they ruin the game " is pretty bias and simply your opinion.

Im not gonna keep discussing this with you. Your achievements at lv 90 in ffxi means nothing to me . You tanking as lv 30 dnc means nothing to me .Im a party player , not a soloer , hybrids are to solo.
Lets stop derailing this thread , if u want i can discuss it with you what exactly means to be the best at your role in a party by private messages.

Stats are broken.Caps(so close) completely breaks the foundation of that "freedom" that this system was all about.If something doesnt work is called a flaw.Flaw needs to be removed in order to advance.Or at the very least , adjust it X1million to make it worth keeping .

How long have you even played FFXI, and if so, how long did you even play FFXI because some of your comments just makes me facepalm.

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Okay i will try , even if i think im loosing my time when you say dnc was a tank and that those jobs were hybrids.

i cant comment on to me dancer was always pretty useless.Never touched this 2jobs

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First of all, we have Fan Dance, that gives us really strong defense boost, starting with 90% defense, and gradually go down to 20%. This effect lasts for five minutes, and DNC can easily have this indefinite since the recast is at LEAST 5 minutes (Merit ability allows them to reduce the recast to 2:30 minute, if memory serves.

Then let's not forget all the curing waltz spells. Let's not even forget that any good DNC could easily give themselves nearly endless TP through Reverse Flourish, Presto, and No Foot Rise.

Let's look at the fact the popular subjob for DNC are SAM and NIN. DNC/SAM makes them really good damage dealer class, while DNC/NIN makes them quite a decent tank.

And speaking of DD, we have Saber Dance, which gives allows Dancers to attack multiple times, along with building flourish that allows dancer to boost their WS attack. Wild Flourish allows dancer to self skillchain. Hell ANY good Dancer should be able to self-skillchain Darkness. I've personally been able to self-skillchain three times, in one round, further boosting our skillchain damage.

On TOP of that, we also have Haste Samba, which does NOT count toward the haste cap, giving any every DD in the same party with DNC 5% ~ 10% haste boost. This does not effect the TP gain as well, making this even more useful.

Also, before you say "lol welcome to post-abyssea", a lot of these abilities Dancers had access to prior to Abyssea, and able to use at level 75. Only exception are Presto, and the fact that SE gave native dual wield post Abyssea.

So what was that about Dancer being useless?

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Rdm is not an hybrid, rdm is a Debuffer, with some elemental/healing skills.was 70 rdm

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Redmage have been considered as the solo god of FFXI even now, and is a very popular job as a mage. Red MAge have been used as healers, tanks, some have even gone as far as melee and nukers. The fact that you leveled RDM only to 70 SHOWS how little experience you have with Red Mage. While I have never personally leveled RDM for endgame job, I can tell you that many, many Red Mages will tell you that RDM are much, much more than just a "debuffer"

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Nin is a DMG dealer based on SPEED, later on to be played as tank becouse of shadows, (never intended to be played this way.75 maxed gear.

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Partially correct. Ninja has been played as a Tank job. (although more people preferred Paladins), long before they even get to level 75. Also, Ninja is another great solo job, thanks to Dancer subjob, and Ninja is now comparable to Dancer as a damage dealer based on speed itself, now that dancer have their native dual wield.

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Drk is a damage dealer and a stunner.NOTHIN MORE.75 maxed gear with a kraken club.

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Read Jennestia's post on DRK.

Now on to Blue Mage:

Blue Mage has been preferred as a Damage dealer since they can easily do very extreme spike damage, especially with spells like Death Scissors and the new Favourite, Quadratic Continuum. Also, I've seen Blue mage made excellent Tanks, that could even replace paladins, with the right skills and build and magics. They are also another very strong solo class as well. BLU can also be used as main healing.

Now to other jobs that can be considered as Hybrid:

Puppetmaster: Based on subjobs and puppet. Popular for Mage, Melee, and healing. I've personally seen puppetmaster completely replacing white mage as healer. I was hesitant about it at first, but later on, I was amazed at how well they can keep up with healing.

Dragoon: Another popular hybrid, based on their wyvern and subjob. Dragoons can be either Damage dealers, or even healers! I personally played DD as damage dealer myself.

Their wyverns uses breath attacks based on the subjob. if the subjob is a DD class, they will use exclusively elemental breaths. If the subjob is a mage class. (WHM, BLU, RDM, BLM, and SCH mainly), they will use exclusively healing breath. Finally, if the subjob uses magic but does not use MP (Bard and Ninja mainly) the wyverns can use both,but this is not very efficient.

Now, on to the mage subjob. Wyverns uses elemental breath based on the player's current HP. With the right gear, Wyverns will heal players in parties, once their HP fell below 50%, and any good DRG can heal u p to 500~600 or even more HP, and what triggers it? using any spells. Even the weakest spell, Dia, will trigger wyvern to heal. Even better, DRG with refresh MP, allows them to heal indefinitely as long as their wyverns are alive and as long as they have MP. This is why Ares Body (along with Twilight Mail) is very popular for DRG/Mage classes.

DRG can also be a very strong DD class, especially with /SAM, and/or their new jumps, Spirit and Soul jumps. These jumps allow DRG to gain TP in multiple of their current TP gain, if their Wyvern is out. Spirit Jump gives DRG 2 times the TP they gain in regular attack while soul jump gives 3 times the TP.

For example, If the DRG have enough Store TP to get 20% TP per hit. (or 5 hit TP set) using both the said jumps with Wyvern out allows them to easily gain 100%+ TP. On top of the TP bonuses DRGs get from both jumps, both jumps have 100% critical hit rate, thus always dealing large damage, so long as their wyverns are out.

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Im not gonna keep discussing this with you. Your achievements at lv 90 in ffxi means nothing to me . You tanking as lv 30 dnc means nothing to me .Im a party player , not a soloer , hybrids are to solo.

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Again. Wrong.

Hybrid are applies to partying as well. They are not just for soloing.

also, other jobs that can be considered as hybrid:

Monk (Tanking and Meleeing)
Corsair (Debuffer, support, and meleeing, and Jennestia Tanking a KB in Einherjar >.>)
Scholar (Obvious. Healing and Nuking)

And possibly most other jobs.

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Yea im a min maxer , so what?Everyone is free to play whatever they like.
Im a party player.I like my coffee hot in the mornings and my games hard , that needs cooperation and difficult party tactics in order to achieve victory.I dont like solo games.You can do whatever hybrid you whant while you dont dificult my game play.

You complain about min/maxers.Then dont play with min/maxers.But basing your whole argument in " i dont like this people they ruin the game " is pretty bias and simply your opinion.

Im not gonna keep discussing this with you. Your achievements at lv 90 in ffxi means nothing to me . You tanking as lv 30 dnc means nothing to me .Im a party player , not a soloer , hybrids are to solo.
Lets stop derailing this thread , if u want i can discuss it with you what exactly means to be the best at your role in a party by private messages.

Stats are broken.Caps(so close) completely breaks the foundation of that "freedom" that this system was all about.If something doesnt work is called a flaw.Flaw needs to be removed in order to advance.Or at the very least , adjust it X1million to make it worth keeping .

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actually a flaw can just be adjusted to correct the issue. a flaw does not mean remove and restart because some feel it is so. adjustments can be made so both sides are happy.

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blha blha blha drg healers , blha blha rdm best soloer (doh)

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I stoped playing around like 6 months after campaing came out.When jobs had actually defined roles and the game was actually hard(and im not refering to time sinks).I dont need to write an Essay to explain to Kilta the jobs she listed on there are not hybrids.
Just because you "can " do somethings that does not make you automatically good at it.I dont get this "all ffxi classes were hybrids " crap.The FFXI i played was about team work.If you think you can make a party full of hybrids then more power to you. Is not how i play.

Saying the current system is okay really makes no sense to me.I guess unless thins start to change i will go find a game were party play and performance matters and not a solo game.
because that is what FFXIV is now.

edit ; i said "to me " dnc was useless.There was not 1 time were i said "i need a dnc" . that to me , is an useless job.change "hybrid" to Solo job and perhaps that will make some sense.

based on what you guys are saying is like you want FFXIV to be a solo game.For real?