[Feedback] More Glamour Plates or More Areas to Apply Glamour Plates?

I think one thing worth considering when calling for increasing this or removing that limitation or so on, is what is the worst case strain/stress/load on the system? In that light, I think some of the restrictions, on both plates and where you can apply them, may be due to the worst case scenario, of someone swapping glamour plates in rapid succession. Normal glamouring is slow, one at a time, not exactly a heavy load to process. But with plates effectively applying, what, 10+ glamours at a time, quickly enough that you could switch and apply plates faster than you could even switch a single glamour manually? And compound that with the scenario of every character in the zone doing that all at the same time.

Sure, it's unlikely that 100+ players in an area will all get together to rapidly change their plates all at once. But if a situation like that could potentially crash the servers, they're naturally going to impose restrictions to keep that from happening.

At least, that's one theory I can come up with for why they can't give a little more freedom with the system.

200 is way low. 400 or 500 could work or 999

With a game that puts so much focus on having Glamours, you would think they would iron out these issues before they even pop up...

That or just take some focus off of glamours

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

From what I've seen, you can only switch glamour plates in major towns and residences - places that generally do not contain monster data or AI (...). My only counter to this thought is with limited plates using condensed data, I do not see how this could be an issue to track, especially when we can glamour normally anywhere (provided we have the gear and a prism) - even in dungeons (and in combat I think).

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I think the difference here is that using a prism gives the system one instruction (change item A's appearance to B) but when you apply a plate, it has to instantly do that for every item on the plate so potentially ten times as much work, and that's before you count that players are likely to switch plates a lot more often than they would have previously glamoured their gear.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Have you considered that a supposed glamour catalogue would have been unfeasible under their data restraints?

"Sure, we'll give you the catalogue. But you can still only catalogue 200 items."

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Yeah. A log with a bunch of items that have true/false statements attached to them would be too difficult for them to do. What? The fishing log? The crafting log? The gathering log? Those don't count.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Yeah. A log with a bunch of items that have true/false statements attached to them would be too difficult for them to do. What? The fishing log? The crafting log? The gathering log? Those don't count.

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Not really, considering those are built into the system to begin with. They're data that's expected to be attached to the player. A glamour log, for every item in the game, exceeding all those other logs, isn't already planned for, and so would be a significant chunk of data to carry around everywhere.

It's like you just assume these don't come at a cost. DoL logs exist because they've planned for and allotted that data. Glamour logs don't exist because that's more data than they can presently allot to characters.

Not saying I perfectly understand the system, or am even certain of the veracity of these claims. But I do kinda feel that if it were supposedly so easy, surely it would've been done. There's more at play here than "just do it already."

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Not really, considering those are built into the system to begin with. They're data that's expected to be attached to the player. A glamour log, for every item in the game, exceeding all those other logs, isn't already planned for, and so would be a significant chunk of data to carry around everywhere.

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Then glam log should have been built in for the system to begin with. The glamour system from the start was a mess, and this isn't fixing it any. From the start it should have been a glamour log that they could have built on just like they've built on the DoH and DoL logs.

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It's like you just assume these don't come at a cost. DoL logs exist because they've planned for and allotted that data. Glamour logs don't exist because that's more data than they can presently allot to characters.

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Okay, let's talk costs. I'll gladly get rid of the fishing log entirely, along with all the useless fish in the game (differentiating from the useful fish; I mean the useless fish that have no value to anything whatsoever) for a glamour log instead.

Surely lugging around that I caught a carpenter crab into a dungeon is unnecessary.

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Not saying I perfectly understand the system, or am even certain of the veracity of these claims. But I do kinda feel that if it were supposedly so easy, surely it would've been done. There's more at play here than "just do it already."

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I'm sure it's not so easy as "just do it already". But there is definitely "stop running in circles trying to play monkey's paw with the playerbase."

"Can we color chocobos?"
"Yes"
"YAY"
"Through a needlessly convoluted system that in effect probably puts more strain on the servers than simply dumping a bucket of paint on the chocobo, conveniences nobody, and requires a system that grants boons only to home owners."

Which of course, goes back to (and a common complaint for the dresser in the first place): if you're gonna do it, do it right in the first place.

Delete the plate system entirely and build a system that works.

The dresser is "fine", however plates should just be an extension of every gear set you have.
Equip Gearset > Open "glamour gear" window (that shows a plate-like window that we have now)
Click & Drag gear from dresser (regardless where you are in the world) > Press the Update Gear Set button.

Job done. No "plates". Just a page on each gear set that allows you to equip cosmetic gear. Basically the same way as every other MMO in existance handles glamour.

So in response to the OP?
Neither. Delete plates and spend the time it would take to "add more", or "allow us to use them in the field" on developing a better system that isn't clunky and broken.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Then glam log should have been built in for the system to begin with.

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So, shut down the game for a few months/year+ while they rebuild the game from the ground up?

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

So, shut down the game for a few months/year+ while they rebuild the game from the ground up?

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If they would have to rebuild the game to build a log into their game, they must be dealing with some seriously poor programming. But they actually don't.
I mean they added the Sightseeing log much later than release..
They also added triple triad card log.
Challenge log.
Orchestrion List.

Are these not all essentially the same thing?
List of items / rewards with a yes/no check...

I suspect you don't really know what you're talking about.
The reason they haven't added a "glamour log" is the sheer amount of gear that is already in the game and the need to add every single piece of gear into that list.
Just think about it logically. It's like adding the entire crafting log (again), plus all of the dungeon and raid gear, all the pvp gear.. For every class..
With the dresser, all they need to display is the stuff you have put into the dresser. It's treated as an item you deposit - rather than a list of "possible items" (like for example - the market board).

It has nothing to do with "the system wasn't in the game so they can't do it." I am almost certain they can absolutely do it. It's just that it's not worth it.
Their problem is that the amount of gear a player can equip in a multi-class game such as this is just enormous. And to pull off the traditional glamour log system would mean listing a rediculous amount of gear. This equates to a stupidly high amount of work this late down the line, from development time to testing.