Tomestones cap needs to be raised a month before next patch

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

The fact that they have to resort to limiting the amount of tomestones you can get per week, just to keep people subscribed to their game, is what bothers me the most. Few things scream "bad game design" more than this. Rather than hold people hostage with this disrespectful system, how about they give us a reason to actually PLAY THE GAME, instead of making us log in just to grind Expert Roulette once a day just to cap our tomestones?

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When you consider that they actually think it is ok to sell boosts to skip both content (main story quest) and leveling rather than to fix content bloating (or shortage when it comes to leveling alternative jobs), it is not very surprising to see such designs.

At this point the isssue isn't even the tomestone cap, but rather that the fact the ilvl based gear at endgame doesn't bring anything to ffxiv considering how little content is released at endgame and how little impact the gear actually has on gameplay (compared to some other ilvl based games). The ilvl at any given level should be normalized, and the difference between gear either cosmetic (just design super flashy gear for savage or something like that) or based on the stat repartition (just like in GW2).

Ok, lets get rid of the weekly cap. Now, instead of grinding tomes, you now have to grind dungeons, because tome gear no longer exists and has a 1% chance to drop from the boss chests in dungeons. but it could be any gear, not just whatever job you are on, and repeats are possible. But hey, not you arent locked out from advancing your character!

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ok, lets get rid of the weekly cap. Now, instead of grinding tomes, you now have to grind dungeons, because tome gear no longer exists and has a 1% chance to drop from the boss chests in dungeons. but it could be any gear, not just whatever job you are on, and repeats are possible. But hey, not you arent locked out from advancing your character!

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They don't need to remove it. They could just increase the limit at the end of a patch cycle at the same time they unlock savage.

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

Even if the weekly cap was abolished, there would still be an upper limit in place for each tier. You would, therefore, not have to play 24/7 to keep up - the difference is you could actually play as much or as little as you wanted on your own time, instead of constantly being forced to work on Square's schedule.

Further, the weekly cap hurts people that are coming back from breaks or that may wish to take a break towards the start of a cycle for whatever reason. They have no options of catching/keeping up, because that weekly cap doesn't roll over. Something's come up and you can't play for a week (or more)? Tough cookies, enjoy being behind everyone else.

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First off, you already can play to your own schedule. You aren't held at gunpoint to cap. The tome gear is a bonus, and doesn't even have to actually be in the game. If they got rid of tome gear, it'd just mean non-raiders have worse gear, since the raids, according to min Ilvl, are balanced around the crafted gear, or the gear you get from doing the raid on normal. The tome gear exists so non-raiders aren't left to dust.

Second of all, that's part of the catch of taking a break. And that's fine. Do you think people are going to hang you over taking a break and maybe getting a bit behind in gear? As I said the Tome gear is a bonus, a bonus Square doesn't need to put in, but it's there so you have something to do. Changing it means either just getting rid of it outright, which stops hurting raiders after a bit, but non-raiders stay behind, or they could make them random kill drops, meaning you could have people get their full set in a day and others never get it in the patch. Does that sound like fun?

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

People can pay for 6 months of service in advance. If Square's inability to keep them engaged results in them having nothing to do for extended periods for those 6 months, I think it's fair to expect them to complain. And to start questioning why they're subbing to begin with, discount or no.

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Also this is the catch with paying 6 months in advance. Signed for a commitment, and it's why there's even a discount in the first place. It's not Square's fault if you paid for 6 months and then got bored 1 month in. You could have just paid 1 month.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

has a 1% chance to drop from the boss chests in dungeons

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When your argument goes to absurd extremes like this, it's a pretty good sign that you're being dismissive and arguing in bad faith.

If they removed not only the cap but Tomestones all together, and if gear instead dropped from the dungeons instead, it would be akin to the Alliance Raids. And you know what? People already run the EX dungeons and the Alliance Raids for glamour (and/or catch-up gear and/or GC Seals), and would continue to even if the dungeons gave half as many drops as they currently do.

Y'know what the funniest part about that change would be to me? We'd actually be inside the dungeons for the dungeons themselves, instead of them just being "colorful interchangeable hallway #37" that we walk through because they're completely irrelevant and we just want Tomestones (or whatever glamour is arbitrarily assigned to them).

I don't even bother with capping anymore think I have the body and weapon and just got my legs this week and that was doing the 24 man once a week >.>

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

When your argument goes to absurd extremes like this, it's a pretty good sign that you're being dismissive and arguing in bad faith.

If they removed not only the cap but Tomestones all together, and if gear instead dropped from the dungeons instead, it would be akin to the Alliance Raids. And you know what? People already run the EX dungeons and the Alliance Raids for glamour (and/or catch-up gear and/or GC Seals), and would continue to even if the dungeons gave half as many drops as they currently do.

Y'know what the funniest part about that change would be to me? We'd actually be inside the dungeons for the dungeons themselves, instead of them just being "colorful interchangeable hallway #37" that we walk through because they're completely irrelevant and we just want Tomestones (or whatever glamour is arbitrarily assigned to them).

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But that's what it would go to. Maybe not 1%, but 5%. It certainly wouldn't be anywhere close to guaranteed drops per run. And how does that change what dungeons are? Its still the same thing, but now because it drops relevant gear its suddenly less terrible? People also complain all the time they don't have personal loot in 24 mans and it takes them 50+ runs to see the drop they want and then they lose it to the other guy.

Anyone that's played the older MMO's knows this. Drop rates were TERRIBLE. That's how they got you to stay subbed. Now we have guaranteed ability to get the gear we want, and it also makes it easy to catch up if you need a break. We can go back to the older style system, but expect to see a massive drop in players.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ok, lets get rid of the weekly cap. Now, instead of grinding tomes, you now have to grind dungeons, because tome gear no longer exists and has a 1% chance to drop from the boss chests in dungeons. but it could be any gear, not just whatever job you are on, and repeats are possible. But hey, not you arent locked out from advancing your character!

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Or better.
Keep the tomes, remove the cap, but change the tome reward as a possible reward from a boss chest.

When savage is unlocked, at least double the cap, no ifs and butts... ppl who in many cases dont even need it anymore can get unlimited 340 gear while we're still suck on 330 due limited hunts and one bloody RAbanstre coin each week. No one gets hurt if ppl may gear up easier...

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

The fact that they have to resort to limiting the amount of tomestones you can get per week, just to keep people subscribed to their game, is what bothers me the most. Few things scream "bad game design" more than this. Rather than hold people hostage with this disrespectful system, how about they give us a reason to actually PLAY THE GAME, instead of making us log in just to grind Expert Roulette once a day just to cap our tomestones?

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The fact that people can't get full 340 on all their alts just by doing dungeons, is a reason to farm savage. Uncapping tomes would remove the gear incentive from savage. If you want there to be reasons to play the game, why would you want incentives removed from content?