Try to predict Nerf/Buff/QoL of 4.2 DPS Edition

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Originally Posted by Llugen

So perhaps we shouldn't be fighting about it in this thread, but MNK's damage really is just fine, or at least the highest damage MNKs are WAY out-damaging the highest damage DRGs by anywhere from 7-12%. Furthermore, all the highest percentile MNKs I know love the job and lament it ONLY because of the state of BRD+MCH+DRG.

Read: The biggest issue with MNK/DRG is that DRG is required for disembowel for BOTH BRD AND MCH for the meta. This is the biggest thing "wrong" with MNK, and the meta, is this reliance on piercing, so MNK is shunned. This issue should have been fully addressed back in 3.2 when it first cropped up, but alas.

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That's part of the problem, yes, but now when people are complaining who still main it, or used to main it but abandoned it this expansion, the skills for the job are an absolute mess. The complaint isn't that we're not meta, its that our skills are locked behind multiple layers of RNG, and our toolkit is at odds with itself. We have skills to extend our buffs that mean we have to fail and intentionally take damage, or we're punished if we have a competent scholar who gets a strong enough galvanize on us that we don't take damage at all. Our primary skill to refresh our primary job buff is on a 3 minute cool down ever since ARR, whereas comparable skills on NIN, DRG, and BLM are on cool downs less than a minute long, and the build up time to get back our buff without that skill is much more punishing than the brief amount of time one of these jobs has to wait to restore their buff.

The piercing debuff definitely hurts us when it comes to raiding, yes, but the problems run far deeper than that.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

NIN: 5% Trick Attack please, also shorten Shadewalker

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If they did that, the duration of the debuff would have to increase as well. Trick Attack would be basically identical to MCH Vulnerability (5% 10 secs every minute vs 5% 20 secs every 2mins). Why bring a melee when a ranged can do exactly the same thing, and has more damage to boot? If anything they should give trick attack to another class too.

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Originally Posted by Zafire063

If they did that, the duration of the debuff would have to increase as well. Trick Attack would be basically identical to MCH Vulnerability (5% 10 secs every minute vs 5% 20 secs every 2mins). Why bring a melee when a ranged can do exactly the same thing, and has more damage to boot? If anything they should give trick attack to another class too.

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Because of LB penalty?
Because NIN still has Shadewalker, Smokebomb and Slash debuff?
Because it's still 30 seconds of extra damage every 2 minutes vs just 20 seconds with MCH alone?

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Originally Posted by Zafire063

If they did that, the duration of the debuff would have to increase as well. Trick Attack would be basically identical to MCH Vulnerability (5% 10 secs every minute vs 5% 20 secs every 2mins). Why bring a melee when a ranged can do exactly the same thing, and has more damage to boot? If anything they should give trick attack to another class too.

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Maybe they can make them cancel each other making so you don't have to bring a NIN to a party

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Originally Posted by Aomine1992

Tanks - maybe some tweaking of tenacity to avoid the issue tanks had with crafting accs being more viable than the higher ilvl ones..or just make tenacity not useless in general -_-

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They just have to make DH the DPS role stat and it would fix some things imo.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Because of LB penalty?
Because it's still 30 seconds of extra damage every 2 minutes vs just 20 seconds with MCH alone?

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Wha?
/10char

Mch: “The community seemed to not like the change we made in 4.15, so we’re lowering Hypercharge back to 5%.”

I expect bahamut to stop chasing us around , stand still and wyrmwave stuff

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Because of LB penalty?
Because NIN still has Shadewalker, Smokebomb and Slash debuff?
Because it's still 30 seconds of extra damage every 2 minutes vs just 20 seconds with MCH alone?

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SAM and WAR can provide slashing debuff. Are you saying Shadewalker/Smokescreen is worth a raid spot by itself? I can't even think of a scenario besides Neo-Exdeath where if you use it at the pull and forget about it nothing bad happens. If they wanted to make enmity control our niche the CD's would have to be lowered significantly. Even then, not really sure if that'd be worth a raid spot over superior damage.

There is always going to be a meta, I don't see anyone complaining about BRD's >.>

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