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10-25-2017, 06:09 AM
Bourne_Endeavor

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Kinda sad that my simple request for initial impressions and information got perverted into a stereotypical "hardcores vs casuals" slugfest. I honestly just wanted to know if it's challenging, fun, and a nice homage to original Coils. That's all.

Unfortunately, that was inevitably since plenty here don't appreciate it being "too hard."

Anywho! I can only relay from what I've been watching on Twitch but the general consensus has been quite positive. Twintania looks reasonably challenging without seguing into a frustrating mess. That being said, mechanic checks are strict. Even just two deaths means you'll likely hit enrage without very high DPS. In terms of homage, I'd say it definitely echos. Nael and Bahamut have crazy introductions. I haven't seen the latter yet, however reddit has clips showing him basically smacking you with a Calamity. So far we're nearing the twelve hour mark with Elysium, Angered and a JP team all on Bahamut that we know of.

If you're curious, here's the selection of streamers progging. :)
10-25-2017, 06:11 AM
Pondera

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I hate to be /that guy/, but if you think any of the fights in this game even borderline on impossible, then you (or the group you are running with) simply are not very good at this game, and the content wasn't made for you to begin with.

The only hard fight currently in the game (before ultimate coil) is Exdeath Savage, and that's only because of randomness elements.

Eh, I heard the same argument back when I was trying to PUG Sophia and losing my mind. I mean, the majority of us are still going to TRY the remaining savage raids, but the whole “dead in seconds, no margin for error whatsoever” does wear a bit at times. Challenging, sure. Fun? Eh... jury is out
10-25-2017, 06:15 AM
Lambdafish

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Originally Posted by Pondera

Eh, I heard the same argument back when I was trying to PUG Sophia and losing my mind. I mean, the majority of us are still going to TRY the remaining savage raids, but the whole “dead in seconds, no margin for error whatsoever” does wear a bit at times. Challenging, sure. Fun? Eh... jury is out

Your kind of fun is not everyone's kind of fun. Sorry to be blunt about it but just because this kind of challenge doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean it is a failure
10-25-2017, 06:15 AM
Remedi

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Kinda sad that my simple request for initial impressions and information got perverted into a stereotypical "hardcores vs casuals" slugfest. I honestly just wanted to know if it's challenging, fun, and a nice homage to original Coils. That's all.

Xenosys said that so far he can feel it comparable to second coil savage but he is nael so take it with care
10-25-2017, 06:25 AM
Pondera

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Your kind of fun is not everyone's kind of fun. Sorry to be blunt about it but just because this kind of challenge doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean it is a failure

Now did I say it was? I said only what you did, that it wasnt really my cup of tea. My guild was having problems because of it and unfortunately hitting content walls like this are one of the big things guilds suffer and break over. I do respect your opinion, but it is not one that I share.
10-25-2017, 06:31 AM
whiskeybravo

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Originally Posted by Pondera

Eh, I heard the same argument back when I was trying to PUG Sophia and losing my mind. I mean, the majority of us are still going to TRY the remaining savage raids, but the whole “dead in seconds, no margin for error whatsoever” does wear a bit at times. Challenging, sure. Fun? Eh... jury is out

Clearly never played Gordias when it was current.

There is so much margin for error in the new savage raids, you can have multiple deaths and still clear easily. Hell the other week the sch and I (war) duo'd nearly the last 5% of halicarnassus with everyone dead lol. It's really not that bad.

At any rate, been watching Xeno's stream on and off throughout the day. I can't wait to relive Twintania with savage-ish mechanics. I always sucked at t9 so Nael will be tough. Haven't seen any Bahamut play
10-25-2017, 06:36 AM
missybee

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Hell the other week the sch and I (war) solo'd nearly the last 5% of halicarnassus

:thonking:

Though, to respond to the person you were responding to, most fights do allow for a margin of error. Even in Eggs-D you can have some deaths without it preventing you from getting to Neo and onward.

This tier feels pretty forgiving in comparison to the soul crushing static breaker that was Gordias.

As for the most difficult fight in the game? I think it makes sense for it to punish any errors.
10-25-2017, 06:55 AM
Hruodig

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Originally Posted by Pondera

I do not recall asking for this, nor did any of my comrades. I’ve noted in th3 past that there seems to be two kinds of content: trivially easy “expert” grinds and soul crushing despair inducing impossibility. What I would request is a middle ground between the two. My guild made it past savage 2.0, but with 3.0 and Shinryu, we’re starting to splinter. Not great, man.

There's plenty of margin for error in omega savage, I've had a clear of 3 savage with 12 deaths, still before enrage. We obviously weren't happy with it, but it's perfectly possible. And to be blunt: if you're having trouble with 3 savage and shinryu, then ultimate savage is strictly not for you.
10-25-2017, 09:36 AM
thegreatonemal

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Clearly never played Gordias when it was current.

There is so much margin for error in the new savage raids, you can have multiple deaths and still clear easily. Hell the other week the sch and I (war) duo'd nearly the last 5% of halicarnassus with everyone dead lol. It's really not that bad.

At any rate, been watching Xeno's stream on and off throughout the day. I can't wait to relive Twintania with savage-ish mechanics. I always sucked at t9 so Nael will be tough. Haven't seen any Bahamut play

People really need to stop comparing things to gordias it was over tuned it has no bearing on anything regarding balance use Midas for comparisons please.
10-25-2017, 09:45 AM
Ilan

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

People really need to stop comparing things to gordias it was over tuned it has no bearing on anything regarding balance use Midas for comparisons please.

You also couldn't die over and over in midas if you wanted to clear it.

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