Scholar Fixes

When you say whm has more ogcd are you counting the fact you can use 9 atherflow stacks at start of a fight?
All 3 of your fairy skills AND your skills?cuz to me seems like sch has more ogcd and if you want to be really technical embrace is a ogcd......

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Oh, I didn't read that part about keeping the healing effect. Still your reasoning is stupid.



Do you even play SCH? SCH are the kings of emergency heals. If you don't have an emergency heal that can be used reliably it's because you mismanaged and you should be punished. AST only has 1 emergency heal ONLY 1 every 40 seconds. SCH has 3 every 60 seconds and can even be AoE. Don't tell me you don't have them because I'm going to answer you, get good.

And if you have 0 emergency heals, there's a skill called dissipation that grants you 3 more stacks. That's the moment when you kill the fairy.

BTW half of your buffs are broken.

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Ok, first of all, Lustrate is not an emergency heal. At 600 potency, it is weaker than the secondary heals WHM and AST get at Lv30 and Lv26 respectively, and is additionally gated behind Aetherflow's limited stacks. SCH doesn't currently have an emergency heal, unless you count gambling on a Emergency Tactics + Critlo.

Second, if you're going to quote me, please actually quote me, instead of putting in new random points I wasn't trying to make in the first place that you can then "counter"

Third, wow, that's a lot of very insulting things you just assumed from me giving basically nothing but numbers, all of which already exist in the game.

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

Ok, first of all, Lustrate is not an emergency heal. At 600 potency, it is weaker than the secondary heals WHM and AST get at Lv30 and Lv26 respectively, and is additionally gated behind Aetherflow's limited stacks. SCH doesn't currently have an emergency heal, unless you count gambling on a Emergency Tactics + Critlo.

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I would actually argue that emergency heals are the only thing SCH has an advantage on at this point. AST and WHM have Essential and Tetra, but generally they will utilise those outside of emergency situations for more GCD effeciency. Lustrate is different because it's gated by Aetherflow, we generally manage our stacks and so we have it at our disposal to actually use for emergencies. That and we can potentially have multiple uses at one given time. It may only be 600 potency, but in most situations that will be enough to rescue a situation and then act appropriately.

And while Assize/Earthly Star may be overall better moves, Indom is still strongest at being the best emergency AoE heal. Better potency than Assize, and doesn't require placing/clicking like Earthly Star

Edit: Also, ET + Adlo would never be considered an emergency heal, even if it crits. Emergency buttons don't need to replicate Benediction and heal a huge amount, it just needs to save a member from death. Generally that means it will have to be an instant move with a decent enough potency to keep someone alive. Lustrate fits this perfectly.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

I would actually argue that emergency heals are the only thing SCH brings at this point. AST and WHM have Essential and Tetra, but generally they will utilise those outside of emergency situations for more GCD effeciency. Lustrate is different because it's gated by Aetherflow, we generally manage our stacks and so we have it at our disposal to actually use for emergencies. That and we can potentially have multiple uses at one given time. It may only be 600 potency, but in most situations that will be enough to rescue a situation and then act appropriately.

And while Assize/Earthly Star may be overall better moves, Indom is still strongest at being the best emergency AoE heal. Better potency than Assize, and doesn't require placing/clicking like Earthly Star

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SCH specialize in planned heals. The limited nature of Aetherflow tends to mean that in an emergency situation with a SCH, one of 4 things happens.

The fight was not planned to need a large heal from the SCH at this point, and no Aetherflow are avalible. Wipe.
The group took unplanned damage and an Indom was used. We now likely don't have Indom available for the next unavoidable raid-wide. Wipe.
The tank took unplanned damage and requires extra Lustrates. We are now unable to use the Indom needed for the upcoming mechanic. Wipe.
The tank took unplanned damage and requires extra Lustrates. We are now unable to use the Energy Drains we're counting on for MP, and run dry at a crucial section of the fight. This is somewhat less likely to cause a wipe, but does leave the SCH feeling miserable for the entire rest of the pull.

3 uses of a resource per minute just does not allow anything that requires that resource to reasonably be an emergency heal.

As a whm I'd like to say benediction isn't a emergency heal...

Benediction has a LONG delay that the mob or a dot tick can go off before they get the heal and on top of that it has long cd and most time I end up healing myself with it when I have full hp cuz the person I wanted to use it on died in mid animation.

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

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I'm a little confused now, part of your post talks about raid-wide damage, and then you talk about the "rest of the pull", so are we talking raids or dungeons here? Because SCH functions quite differently in both.

In any case, your first point should be irrelevant because any good SCH will keep an AF stack until they are at least close to getting another AF cast.

Your next two points seem to be in a raid scenario, so you'll have a co-healer who should generally be doing most of the healing anyway. They should also be competent enough to know that you have had to resort to emergency heals, and communication would also solve the problem of topping people off before a raid-wide mechanic. Also you should be prepared for that with a deployed Adlo or Succor anyway, not an Indom.

Your last point seems to be dungeon based. Yeah it is a little more rough for SCH, but as of now there really isn't any reason for anyone to go OOM unless they're mindlessly spamming Adlos. And if your tank is pulling too much for you to handle, communication!

Regardless of all these scenarios, it doesn't change that Lustrate and Indom are great emergency buttons. In fact, you state yourself that you used Lustrate in these scenarios when unplanned damage occurs, so have you not just contradicted yourself?

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Originally Posted by simiii

As a whm I'd like to say benediction isn't a emergency heal...

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100% agreed. I only mentioned Benediction because it sounded like his idea of an emergency button is to top somebody off instantly, whereas that isn't the case at all. I only mentioned Tetra as the actual emergency button of a WHM. (:

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/m...issipation.png Dissipation: Orders your pet away while granting you a full Aetherflow stack.
Also grants a buff that increases healing magic potency by 20%. Your next Summon or Summon II is instant cast. Buff ends after 30 seconds or when your next Summon or Summon II is cast. Aetherflow spent while in dissipation will fill fairy gauge at a rate of 20 instead of 10. Using aetherflow outside of a fairy summoned or dissipation will have no effect on the gage.

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I really like this fix for dissipation, sadly, we'll never see any of this. I doubt we see any love for many, many patches. Probably best to just level up AST or WHM at this point. SCH is broken.

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Originally Posted by Scox

I really like this fix for dissipation, sadly, we'll never see any of this. I doubt we see any love for many, many patches. Probably best to just level up AST or WHM at this point. SCH is broken.

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How is sch broken? Sch is better in raids and whm is better in dungeons. Sch has a dps buff your spot is cemented in raid groups. And before you say "whm has highest personal dps" true but whm is not going out dps 6 other people.

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

It would be stupidly OP, unless you make it 3 to 5 minute cooldown. Remember that you can always use largesse to increase the potency. A guarante crit shield should have at least 3 min cooldown or should share CD with Deployment.

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AGAIN its not a crit shield....its a CRIT HEAL ffs Emergency Tactics turns the next shield into a heal!!!!!! facedesk

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

At the 1000/1000/(2000) numbers it would be, but that's not what the actual potencies are. Adlo is 300/300, which makes the base heal from it under Emergency Tactics into 600. This is equivalent to Lustrate, and is actually still lower than Cure II/Benefic II. Crit multiplier is 1.4 (I believe), so giving Emergency Tactics a guaranteed crit effect bring it up to 840, which is reasonable on a 30sec CD, especially because it would still be tied to Adlo's MP cost.

After typing that I realized that the crit multiplier on Adlo's shield translating to healing probably would be OP, as that would make it a 1260 potency heal every 30 seconds, but that could be worked around by just saying that Emergency Tactics isn't a true crit, but is instead a direct multiplier.

EDIT: And after typing that I realized that HW Essential Dignity was a free (conditional) 1000 potency heal on a 40sec CD, so maybe actually not that OP after all.

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It wouldn't be op at all, i said put it on a 40 seconds CD same as ES on astro heck give it a 1 min if you feel its still op. Scholars healing kit right now is terrible compared to the other 2 healers leting them have a big heal isn't going to break anything.