Botters has RUINED PvP :(

there have been a few actual "Bots". the person just runs head on into the enemy on a mount never dismounting and getting killed and just lays there or respawns and does it again.

Frankly the best SE has allowed us at this point is to simply report and move on, which as we all know is a janky sort of system that often takes months to even see any results. They really need more man power to expedite the process before we'll see any real change outside of outright removing the exp gained. Which, honestly, would be a shame in my opinion because it's that exp boost that drew me back to frontlines in the first place. If it ends up being that they remove it I'll still PVP, but right now it's a far more fun alternative to PoTD or brainless dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Ashiee

There are definitely bots in frontlines. At least yesterday while I was playing I noticed quite a few people (probably about half or so of the alliance) doing some really janky movements. They would all stop facing the same direction, and would move all in unison a second or two later. I only noticed it once or twice in the match, so its not super apparent otherwise. That being said, the games I have played with Bots generally go better then the games I play with real people unfortunately.

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I've seen this just yesterday, about 5 people in another alliance all standing still, in the same direction. Then they'd all move together and stop for another 5-6 seconds.

Without PvP i would never clean the bathroom.
The toilet would eventually get so crusty no chemical on earth could eat through it.
I literally depend on PvP to be a functioning human being.
please don't take it from me.
Or else i will be chained to this couch grinding so long that eventually...

http://i.imgur.com/h3cGu1X.jpg

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I think you'd be surprised how bad people can be, either in a particular moment or in general.

People are quick to call random people a bot for failing to meet some arbitrary requirement of minimum competence. I see little actual evidence though, just incredulity.

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You're joking right? At least a normal person would be like "omg i'm being hit ahhhh" and S key or run away or something if you honestly can just say that this persons bad and not notice the particular movements and the questionable moving and stopping of said people then you're blissfully ignorant. Seriously just go into Shatter, find a large group of people and watch their movements, as soon as ice spawns they move immediately and ignore everything even while being beaten to death on their mount just to run and get the ice.

I even saw 2 people drop 2 caster LBs on a group of 12 people and they just stood there, took both of em, and sat there to be slaughtered, our team got 2 battle highs and 2 battle fevers out of that but it's just bad players right? Gotta go AFK and get that EXP right? What a joke people never cared about PvP until the EXP was introduced and now can't even see bots what's next people won't believe that Garuda can fall from the sky?

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Outside removing any reward from losing and ban bots there is nothing they can do.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I've been asking for no rewards on a loss for years now...

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If you remove rewards on loss then PvP dies when people get on losing streaks and stop queuing altogether to do more rewarding things with their time. There aren't enough people who frequent PvP for fun alone instead of using their time on content that enables them to progress in some way reliably. So you need rewards for the health of the game.

The banning bots thing is the ultimate solution to bots, and it's not only PvP they ruin but pretty much everything else too, including gathering / gil farming bots which can be used for RMT reasons.

I just don't understand the point of exp half AFKing. Wouldn't it be better to enjoy the process of getting your exp? I hate to say it, but SE made a good thing, and people abused it. I honestly love it for when I have a tiny bit of leveling, but don't feel committed to doing a whole dungeon. Unfortunately, I think SE might have no choice but to nerf the exp, make it a punishable offense, or make the exp vary by placement. It's disheartening, because horizonal progression is what this game needs more of, and players are ruining it. It's even sadder that we beg for something, and then disrespect the developers when they graciously give it. If I were them, I'd be wary about who they listen to at this point.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

It's disheartening, because horizonal progression is what this game needs more of ...

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Were this game Horiztonal i would be committed to putting in an effort,
because the grind would actually mean something.
As things stand, each new patch just introduces countless hours of grinding
for things that will be worthless next month.
I've got no time or interest in that.

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Originally Posted by Awful

You're joking right? At least a normal person would be like "omg i'm being hit ahhhh" and S key or run away or something if you honestly can just say that this persons bad and not notice the particular movements and the questionable moving and stopping of said people then you're blissfully ignorant. Seriously just go into Shatter, find a large group of people and watch their movements, as soon as ice spawns they move immediately and ignore everything even while being beaten to death on their mount just to run and get the ice.

I even saw 2 people drop 2 caster LBs on a group of 12 people and they just stood there, took both of em, and sat there to be slaughtered, our team got 2 battle highs and 2 battle fevers out of that but it's just bad players right? Gotta go AFK and get that EXP right? What a joke people never cared about PvP until the EXP was introduced and now can't even see bots what's next people won't believe that Garuda can fall from the sky?

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Why would I be joking? Have you never heard of tunnel vision?

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

If you remove rewards on loss then PvP dies when people get on losing streaks and stop queuing altogether to do more rewarding things with their time. There aren't enough people who frequent PvP for fun alone instead of using their time on content that enables them to progress in some way reliably. So you need rewards for the health of the game.

The banning bots thing is the ultimate solution to bots, and it's not only PvP they ruin but pretty much everything else too, including gathering / gil farming bots which can be used for RMT reasons.

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Yeah you pretty much hit that nail on the head multiple times. lol~