Samurai Discussion

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Originally Posted by Yorumi

Boss invulnerable periods are obvious but this one is at least easier to figure out. Can you get more potency from the keniki meditate generates or 15 seconds of auto-attacks. We'll need to get in the game to see that but it'll be known quickly.

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Yeah there is certain information we can't get yet. Also because people mentioned Kaiten not working on Higanbana I moved it next to Kasha instead (I couldn't think of where else I could place it). I also moved one of the Kaitens next to Guren. (edit: nevermind seems guren is ability I will change it back).

Hazake -> Jinpu -> Gekko(rear) -> Higanbana ->
Hakaze -> Shifu -> (Kaiten)Kasha(side) -> Hazake -> (Shinten)Yukikaze ->
Hazake -> Jinpu -> Gekko(rear) -> Hagakure ->
(Meikyo Shisui)Kasha(side) -> (Guren)Gekko(rear) -> Yukikaze ->
(Kaiten)Midare Setsugekka -> Hakaze -> (Shinten)Jinpu -> Gekko(rear) ->
(Shinten)Hakaze -> Shifu -> Kasha(side) -> (Shinten)Hakaze -> Yukikaze ->
(Kaiten)Midare Setsugekka

I did the calculation of how much kenki and by the end of this rotation you would have 10 remaining.

edit: The calculation for kenki will be the same but some numbers would move around.

5+5+10+5+5-20+10+5-25+10+5+5+10+60+10-20-50+10+10+5-25+5+10-25+5+5+10-25+5+10-20 = 10

Yay addition and subtraction...

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Originally Posted by Remus

I also moved one of the Kaitens next to Guren. (edit: nevermind seems guren is ability I will change it back).

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Oh hell that makes me sad. A 1200 potency attack would have been absolutely awesome.

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Originally Posted by Remus

Yay addition...

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Master this job and you can be an accountant O_o!

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Originally Posted by Yorumi

Oh hell that makes me sad. A 1200 potency attack would have been absolutely awesome.

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It would have been awesome but pretty overpowered at the same time! Also I don't know how I would feel about it because you would only be able to kaiten + guren every 2 minutes so not very satisfying seeing only a few times a fight haha.

I mean in a level 64 dungeon a samurai crit for 22k with midare setsugekka.

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Originally Posted by Remus

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Might want to edit that again, as I did in my first post, Kaiten tooltip specifies that it applies to Weaponskill, Guren is an Ability.

Also I think people are too quickly dismissing the Yaten, Enbi, Gyoten​ combo. That's 500 potency for 1 GCD and 10 Kenki every 10 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Coltvoyance

Might want to edit that again, as I did in my first post, Kaiten tooltip specifies that it applies to Weaponskill, Guren is an Ability.

Also I don't think people are too quickly dismissing the Yaten, Enbi, Gyoten​ combo. That's 500 potency for 1 GCD and 10 Kenki every 10 seconds.

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Don't worry I saw your post I made a edit and changed it. Too be honest I don't know how I feel about that combo... It does have a good potency of 500 together but I'm just not sure where I can put it with the maximum being 100 kenki. There are so many different ways you can spend kenki its hard trying to put down what combinations should be used.

I really like this because it gets me thinking. Maybe I can find a way to fit it in. Maybe during the down time it would be good. I mean the rotation I made ends with 10 kenki so you could perhaps put it there?

But it also costs 160 TP. liberal use of it will have you OOT real quick.

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Originally Posted by yillin

But it also costs 160 TP. liberal use of it will have you OOT real quick.

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True, but Invigorate and other DPS players with Goad should make you last for a looooooong time.

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Originally Posted by yillin

But it also costs 160 TP. liberal use of it will have you OOT real quick.

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I forgot about the tp cost! Seeing that now I'm not sure about the use. I don't think the tp cost should be that high. I will say though remember all these values could change before the 16th.

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Originally Posted by Coltvoyance

True, but Invigorate and other DPS players with Goad should make you last for a looooooong time.

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I think in a pre-made that would be a good combo but the question is would it be reliable in pugs? I have already encountered enough ninjas who don't Goad when you need it lol

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Originally Posted by Remus

It would have been awesome but pretty overpowered at the same time! Also I don't know how I would feel about it because you would only be able to kaiten + guren every 2 minutes so not very satisfying seeing only a few times a fight haha.

I mean in a level 64 dungeon a samurai crit for 22k with midare setsugekka.

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Midare is going to be fun with a properly coordinating party. Kaiten is obvious with every midare. But imagine balance card, rdm's embolden(10%), and brd/mch phy vuln. And with things like meikyo shisui and guren you could easily do two kaiten midares and gurren under all that while only losing 2% from embolden on the last skill.

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Originally Posted by Remus

I think in a pre-made that would be a good combo but the question is would it be reliable in pugs? I have already encountered enough ninjas who don't Goad when you need it lol

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Brd/mch can also give tp more easily now, and don't forget sen skills don't use tp so there's at least one gcd every few skills that won't cost tp and give you a touch of tp regen. I know you don't always have those but still I think with invigorate you could go a pretty long way even using the extra tp.