I DO NOT support the OP here. The kick feature is exactly how it needs to be. No changes necessary. Ive played this game since the beta, and I can count on one hand how many times ive seen it abused to hurt a truly innocent player who was doing nothing wrong. However, I can make you a long list of times it helped my group rid ourselves of a cancer. The OP sounds like the typical left wing millennial who needs a safe space everywhere he goes. He wants to force people to play with toxic players, with no power to address the situation themselves, in order to address one tiny minority issue that rarely ever happens....No. So you would have people annoyed they have no power to remove a troll, you would increase tickets in the system because of players inability to address issues on their own, all to shelter the OP's sensitivities. Makes perfect sense.
EDIT: So we now learn the OP was kicked for knocking back mobs in every pull. I would have kicked you as well. This is EXACTLY why the kick system needs to stay the same so I can avoid morons like you who simply dont get it, or refuse to even try.
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08-09-2016, 10:10 PMKrazymagic
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08-09-2016, 10:27 PMEvangela
It's not really that easy to abuse the vote kick system. If half of the party agreed to remove someone, most of the time it justifies their decision. Except when the voters are from the same LS/FC or knowing each other on the same server.
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08-09-2016, 10:45 PMCanadane
While I'd never kick anyone for doing so, I've gotta agree, knockback skills are the worst thing I'm group content. I've told my FC many times that if they knock something back, I'll stop tanking it.
We all have situational abilities. It's great you'd like to use your full toolkit, but this is like a BLM using Sleep when it's not needed, or a WHM using regen between pulls, or any other situational ability.
It's not about you, it's about the party. That might be tough to deal with but you might want to suck it up and end up more skilled in the end. -
08-09-2016, 10:53 PMUnderdog2204Would be true if people didn't just press accept without thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
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08-09-2016, 11:09 PMviewtyjoeIf people choose to accept, then they are agreeing one way or another. Their ability (or inability) to reason about whether it's a valid kick or not is ancillary to the fact that they are required to make a choice. In nearly two years of playing, I think I've been kicked from a DF group once, maybe twice, and both times I probably deserved it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog2204
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08-09-2016, 11:40 PMDementThis completely destroys your argument, as others have stated. I very very rarely kick people or even vote to kick if the motion is presented. I think I have voted yes on it exactly one time and I've been playing with the system since its inception. Yet, I would vote to kick you if you consistently used a knockback because it is one of the most annoying things for a tank or a melee to have to deal with. However, you need to realize that what you're doing is not beneficial to the party in any way, shape or form. Knockbacks have specific times where they are useful, other than those times, put them away. That's like saying a MNK should use One-Ilm Punch at least every other rotation... after all it's in the game so it needs to be used every chance. It's just not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by DemascusW
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08-10-2016, 12:02 AMbirdy_reene
knock backs are a situational skill A.E you pulled agro and need to get a hard hitting monster off you, in which case after the knock back you root them. Allowing the group to deal with said mob n then finish him off, or A.E to cancel an aoe. Knock back isn't a skill meant to be spammed just because its there and ready. Just like bards and goon's don't waste their elusive/exasive jump skills just because its up. (bard more so since it does do dmg). So those players didn't abuse the system to the sounds of it, It sounds like you just did a fine job of being annoying. and sorry when a group of people asks you to stop doing something, and you keep doing it, that's harassment. Which is a kick option.
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08-10-2016, 12:03 AMAylis
The vote kick system is fine the way it is, its the people themselves that need fixing. Simply put, "don't be a jerk". I'm sorry but intentionally knocking back monsters just for the sake of knocking them back without any need or reason is well...kinda being a jerk.
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There's two kinds of "extra effort" The good kind where the entire party comes together to go the extra mile to make things all work. Then the bad kind where three of the party has to work extra hard because the fourth despite being told to stop what it is they're doing , willingly refuses and continues to be a burden. -
08-10-2016, 12:07 AMYoukulm
I love how this topic pops up every so often...
We've been told before from GMs ( see SS earlier in this thread )... were allowed to kick and/or be kicked for having different play styles. End of story.
You can report it to a GM if you think the feature was "abused" but if it's honestly the case, that you weren't meshing well with your party, they won't do anything about it. They'll sing you the big song and show of "We'll look into it" but nothing else.
You aren't going to get along with every single party you run into in DF and in all honesty most of the time the kick feature isn't an issue at all. Yes it can be abused but most people just ignore it and finish the duty even if another party member is annoying them or doing something dumb..
If you find yourself being kick often enough that you feel the need to make a topic about it perhaps you should examine your own behavior in DF...
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08-10-2016, 12:22 AMUnderdog2204True but that doesn't negate the fact unjust kicks can in fact happen because of it (not the OP but others).Quote:
Originally Posted by viewtyjoe
I'm a team player and I've only been kicked 3 times but two of those were unwarrented.