Complexity/Sensory Overload

All they need to get rid of is Repelling shot on bard. It'sa uuseless ability.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

All they need to get rid of is Repelling shot on bard. It'sa uuseless ability.

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It deals extra damage and enables you to avoid an AoE instantly.. wouldn't say it was useless.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

If you worry about skill bloat then start using them bars and them macros. At least on PC with a controller I have 8 bars with 16 possible actions. I only ever use at most 1.5.

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But would you expect the average player to use macros in order to access all of their skills properly? Should there be a need for the average player to delve into macro territory just to play the game normally?

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

It deals extra damage and enables you to avoid an AoE instantly.. wouldn't say it was useless.

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Faster and more reliable to Dodge AoEs by running normally.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Faster and more reliable to Dodge AoEs by running normally.

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Not if the AoE can be anticipated, and still, extra damage. The fact it does damage alone makes it useful.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Faster and more reliable to Dodge AoEs by running normally.

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But you didn't factor in the damage. Repelling shot is a bad skill, but it's not useless. For example, Fracture is a bad skill but has a use, the way shield swipe used to be was a useless skill (no redeeming qualities no matter how much you stretched it).

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Not if the AoE can be anticipated, and still, extra damage. The fact it does damage alone makes it useful.

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The fact it does damage doesn't make it useful. Fracture does damage, but it's still nearly useless. Repelling shot is pointless because it delays WM gcd's and costs more damage than gained by its measly 20 potency.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

But you didn't factor in the damage. Repelling shot is a bad skill, but it's not useless. For example, Fracture is a bad skill but has a use, the way shield swipe used to be was a useless skill (no redeeming qualities no matter how much you stretched it).

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Fracture's bad for every job except monk and Warrior. Repelling Shot is always useless for its primary function, which is the jump back.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

The fact it does damage doesn't make it useful. Fracture does damage, but it's still nearly useless. Repelling shot is pointless because it delays WM gcd's and costs more damage than gained by its measly 20 potency.

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I can't tell if you're trolling but I'm going to go ahead and assume you're not. You use Repelling Shot in between skills, it doesn't affect anything. It's an extra bit of damage. You're not sacrificing damage by using it. It also has 80 potency, not 20.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

But would you expect the average player to use macros in order to access all of their skills properly? Should there be a need for the average player to delve into macro territory just to play the game normally?

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I imagine the average player wouldn't care about skill bloat or the use of macros and just roll with the punches as they are thrown at them by the devs design decisions. Besides you have 8 separate bars to choose from and switch to on the fly meaning you don't necessarily need macros.

All I'm saying is the option is there and that before complaining and hoping for no more abilities that every player should at the very least explore all options available to them.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

All I'm saying is the option is there and that before complaining and hoping for no more abilities that every player should at the very least explore all options available to them.

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I understand where you're coming from but using PS4/controller and switching through any more than a few bars is incredibly annoying. It makes it impossible to play fluently sometimes and even hinders players if they don't place their skills in the correct place (I've misclicked bars before and pressed the wrong buttons causing myself or others to die, simply by accidentally being on my DPS bar instead of heals).

Macros are great but as I said previously, they don't always work. This isn't just me either, I've had other controller players tell me they had to spam buttons to make them work and this isn't ideal.

I don't want SE to dumb everything down completely, I just wish they would consider the difficulty of playing some classes and the skills they give.