The cooldown reset on A8s is unbearable

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

Yoshi said that they will not reset CDs on raids because they believe that there should be a penalty to dying in a fight.

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we already call for wipes , and we have been doing so since the 1 coil...if 1 tank died in some encounter it was wipe ,and enrage or failures , T9 times were a pain and here it comes Phase 3....and some1 fails ..... call WIPE ...u even wiped on P2-3 and practicing 4 was what one of two times a day, A6s is a good example too , if u fail in some of the first 3 bosses , is better to wipe wait on cds and start again....fun fun!

food only last 30 mins , WHY? if Yoshi really thinks the punishment of wiping is having to be bored for 5 min , while u see the food buff going away slow and painfully...we fight harder , but sometimes some1 mess up , or something unexpected comes , and there it goes like 10 min of my life...i enjoy raiding , is the most fun thing in FFXIV for me but food duration , potions , and the waiting on Cds sometimes burn out ppl.....

they want to GAIN raiders? or lose more raiders? trying to convince ppl to give raiding a try in FFXIV is worse than raiding....they know how it goes , it can be fun , but i gonna need to buy food every day , potions , i was saving gil for X or dont even have gil on the 1 place (yep , there is almost 0 need for gil) ....and 2h raiding? and lots of this 2h is waiting on Cds? omg no way ...thats sounds anything but fun , why i would do that? :S

I'd recommend anyone who hasn't liked this post yet to do so for increased exposure on the skill reset issue. I'm not sure if it'll help but it does seem like the Dev team wants to know things of interest to the player base by the amount of likes it has.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

You might get one or two hits in at most. And that's if the person dying has a fast CPU where they can load and take the shortcut near instantly.

It's just silly to even bring up. Not even to mention, they could just make it so only people who have died and gone through the respawn loading screen get the cooldown reset...

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Yes. You have to consider how things will be exploited when proposing changes. Because if it is possible, it will be exploited. One or two hits when buffed is better than none, so it is an advantage. Whether it is worthwhile can be debated.

They already have a screen fading mechanic built when a boss resets for many fights, just extend that screen fading for every fight, remove all buffs and reset all cooldowns with it, I fail to see how that would be exploited.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

not that i agree with her, but it is entirely possible, there is almost always a checkpoint to the boss after u fight its trash or in the case of some fights you are right at the boss immediately, lets say you get a healer to take off all gear, run in and get easily one shoted, respawn and get immediately protected while gear changing as soon as they respawn. that would eat up at most 5 to 6 seconds if done right.

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What scenario is this? All trials have you fighting in a enclosed boss room that if someone aggros the boss, everyone is engaged to the fight. Only a total party wipe would reset it. A1, 2, 3 and 5 doesn't this, but are you honestly saying that they can get one shot'd, return to base, take the short cut, and run back into the boss fight all within 15 seconds (with no mana and TP, mind you). Who is even getting the cooldown reset at this point?

You can't do this in dungeons because shortcuts do not put you in front of the boss arena, only to where the previous boss was.

Not to sound rude, but this is an incredibly silly excuse to play devil's advocate with; it doesn't even make sense within the context of the game.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

All trials have you fighting in a enclosed boss room that if someone aggros the boss, everyone is engaged to the fight. Only a total party wipe would reset it.

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Not only this. You can't release your character back to the entrance in fight like this after death.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

it doesn't even make sense within the context of the game.

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are you saying it absolutely cant be done? sure, on the primal encounters and some raid bosses everyone is in the fight if one starts the fight, but look at something like (for example of course) T11 at i130.
it is completely possible to get one shot immediately, taking less than 5 seconds to die and respawn, taking a little over 3 seconds to use the shortcut and be right back with the party. assuming you arent playing on windows 95 and u take 10 years to load these two things, thats 8 seconds, getting rebuffed and blowing your shroud/potion/mana wahtsit abilties going in as a healer, its definantly possible to do this in 15 seconds or less.
as i said im not trying to justfiy this as some excuse to not reset the cooldowns, as i fully agree they should be reset regardless of this minimal exploit (That is easily fixable). im just noting that it is possible to do so in some instances

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

What scenario is this? All trials have you fighting in a enclosed boss room that if someone aggros the boss, everyone is engaged to the fight. Only a total party wipe would reset it. A1, 2, 3 and 5 doesn't this, but are you honestly saying that they can get one shot'd, return to base, take the short cut, and run back into the boss fight all within 15 seconds (with no mana and TP, mind you). Who is even getting the cooldown reset at this point?

You can't do this in dungeons because shortcuts do not put you in front of the boss arena, only to where the previous boss was.

Not to sound rude, but this is an incredibly silly excuse to play devil's advocate with; it doesn't even make sense within the context of the game.

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The primal trials start you in the arena, yes. So does Midas 4. Midas 1-3 start you outside the arena, and it is possible to be locked out so this might work. None of which is why I'm playing devil's advocate. Any change won't be introduced until the next raid tier, and it is not yet known to any of us how those fights will be set up. By the time this matters, nobody is going to care about Midas Savage, or possibly even Ravana and Bismark Extreme. They'll be old hat.

I am not opposed to cooldowns being reset when raiding. I am opposed to it being done in some half-assed manner that would break things or simply be more hassle than it's worth.

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Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor

... (basically when the boss resets) ...

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Such as this, which I addressed, and it has been countered.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

Alternativly to prevent this type of exploit, they could remove all benefical abilties on the target as well as reset the cooldowns, which would solve everything that is exploitable about this anyway

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And this would probably be the best alternative, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Pells

Midas 1-3 start you outside the arena, and it is possible to be locked out so this might work.

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Normal yes. But in Savage for example A6 is different than normal mode.

We had it today. Someone pulled the Blaster because he activated the auto run. Everybody ran out. 2 ppl died till the door closed and the boss semed to reset. But it was no full reset. The death ppl could not release back to the entrance. We had to pull again and wipe the entire party to get a full reset of the fight.

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Originally Posted by Pells

I am not opposed to cooldowns being reset when raiding. I am opposed to it being done in some half-assed manner that would break things or simply be more hassle than it's worth.

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Did you ever raid in this game? I've not seen a single group not waiting for cooldowns after wipe.

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Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor

Basically, it would be an excellent QoL addition with no real drawbacks, maybe it could be exploited to reset long cool-downs on the overworld (like entering an instance with friends and leaving quickly to get CD's back) but come on, I doubt that can be exploited for anything worth a damn.

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I wonder... have people jumped into Stone Sky Sea to reset cool downs for floors like A6S, A7S and A8S (or even EX Primals)? I left out A5S because leaving requires you to fight Faust x2 and Hummelfaust again. Because it's not like Binding Coil.
I personally haven't tried popping all my cool downs before entering SSS, but if I can do that... well, it would definitely shave off the 3-5 minute wait for certain cool downs. Main flaw would be constantly sending out invitations or something (I don't remember, but SSS is solo only, yeah?)

Of course, I personally would prefer CD's to reset after wipes. Just reserve that QoL for Savage Raids and Extreme Primals.