PLD Requires more Skills

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Originally Posted by Gooner_iBluAirJGR

Yo son i just want Sure Cast effect added to tempered will yo DAMNNNNNNNNNN! CAN I JUST DREAM A LITTLE BIT DAMNNNNN!

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Well that would be kinda cool but its easier to just cut Clemency cast by 50%

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Originally Posted by Tadus

well its not that they are useless, it is that it is not needed in many, but many raids. There are little to no chances you will be needing any one those skill. specially is savage where boss is non -stun able. If a person is a good tank, there is no need for cover, but it is a nice skill. and pacification? oh please.

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In A3 both Normal and Savage, the Big Hand form has an AoE knockback attack called Wash Away which can be negated with Tempered Will and the Tornado form has adds that can be and should be stunned.

In A4 Normal Phases 1 and 2, If you stun the leg giving off steam the Perpetual Ray that follows deals reduced damage making it easier to survive therefore preventing the Manipulator from getting damage up stacks.

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Originally Posted by Phoenicia

Monk:

Aside from situationalities of Fists of Earth and Wind, MNKs have literally useless abilities.

Haymaker (Counter)... Evasion is not a thing. Having a skill that requires the MNK to be tanking in the first place is a joke.

Arm of the Destroyer: Very weak AoE, very expensive TP and the silence is very hard to land.

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You forgot One Ilm Punch.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

In A3 both Normal and Savage, the Big Hand form has an AoE knockback attack called Wash Away which can be negated with Tempered Will and the Tornado form has adds that can be and should be stunned.

In A4 Normal Phases 1 and 2, If you stun the leg giving off steam the Perpetual Ray that follows deals reduced damage making it easier to survive therefore preventing the Manipulator from getting damage up stacks.



You forgot One Ilm Punch.

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I like the post you made so far and it's pretty much what I'm trying to get at. There's more to PLD then it's 1,2,3 it's been branded with.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

In A4 Normal Phases 1 and 2, If you stun the leg giving off steam the Perpetual Ray that follows deals reduced damage making it easier to survive therefore preventing the Manipulator from getting damage up stacks.

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I got the feeling that you MUST stun it in savage or its GG :P

I think that the biggest problem isn't that we have situational skills, it's that almost all of our abilities are situational skills. I personally think that before adding more skills, they should rework some of the skills that we already have.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

I got the feeling that you MUST stun it in savage or its GG :P

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Let's just say... it plays a much bigger role in Savage.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Paladin Skills? Situational?

Check Scholar Skills after level 52. I don't think I would ever use them unless I was desperate.

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I use emergency tactics, deployment tactics, broil and indomnability regularly.

If you're not, you're bad. Dissipation is so situational its near useless but a crit Adlo + E4E on Lily > Deployment Tactics on pull = lol.

PLD doesn't need more buttons. We need buttons that aren't simply "take less damage for X seconds" in the same way copied 20 times. Guaranteed block, increase block rate, increase defence, damage taken reduced, crit nullification (is this even necessary?)... Basically it looks like this: *insert rotation of CDs* every fight. How different from wow is that? *Pop Shield Wall for big hit, keep shield block on CD* or *Divine Protection on big hit, Shield of the Righteous every 3HoPo*

Boring. Between those and two combo chains we got too many damn redundant buttons.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

You forgot One Ilm Punch.

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Forgive me, I haven't monked since 2.2 came out. lol But still, how could I forget the single most useless skill in the game?!

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

PLD doesn't need more buttons. We need buttons that aren't simply "take less damage for X seconds" in the same way copied 20 times. Guaranteed block, increase block rate, increase defence, damage taken reduced, crit nullification (is this even necessary?)... Basically it looks like this: *insert rotation of CDs* every fight. How different from wow is that? *Pop Shield Wall for big hit, keep shield block on CD* or *Divine Protection on big hit, Shield of the Righteous every 3HoPo*

Boring. Between those and two combo chains we got too many damn redundant buttons.

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PLD is meant to be the boring straightforward tank. It's basically what you signed up for. Also tanking in WoW was more fun than tanking on PLD here. Which is why I play DRK/WAR instead.

I just want Tempered Will to have a different ability. Currently, that is the most unused ability for my PLD. I even use Cover once in a while for AOEs.

Maybe let it buff shield for certain a small amount of time to reflect magic damage, so Sheltron + Tempered Will is a good thing for magical tank busters.

I'm not asking for a kind of OP ability, I just think Tempered Will (nulls knocback effect and esuna Heavy) could be replaced with a better synergy with the rest of PLD's toolkit.

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Originally Posted by Tadus

Do not get me wrong, i am very grateful SE added GB and RA but besides that, there is nothing much to do. Cds here, sheltron there and done. War and Drk are very fun classes because they have a VAST amount of CDs to press.

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So go and play WAR or DRK. Variety in gameplay is a good thing, and we shouldn't aim to make PLD like WAR or DRK just because you want more buttons to push. That's the mentality that ruins classes in the long run. Let the people that want a ton of buttons to press gravitate to WAR/DRK. I'll be happy here with PLD and its straightforward design and simple gameplay.