Please let BRDs use Empyrean Arrow and Iron Jaws outside of Wanderer's Minuet

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Originally Posted by Tharkis

People played bards to be "the mobile class" not to be "the support class"

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I play bard to be the support class, like I was in ffxi. Taking your own opinions and assuming that everyone else feels the same way never leads to good results.

Bard's playstyle is fine. I complained out the yin yang at first, too, then I got to understand it, and now I think it's funner than it was in 2.x.

Definitely need a dps boost though.

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Originally Posted by SlyRoyale

I'm just going to say this outright because there is no delicate way to go about this: your suggestion is stupid, OP. Iron Jaws and Empyreal Arrow are WM-exclusive because of how good they are. One is a GCD weaponskill that snapshots both Wind- and Venomous Bites, and the other is a 220 potency oGCD on a 15s or shorter recast depending on your skill speed. Add the fact that WM boosts all damage by +30%, and you're looking at 130 initial potency from Iron Jaws plus the DoTs being snapshotted with the boost, and 286 potency from Empyreal Arrow. If you want them not to be restricted in that way, then MCH would have to get the same change with their GB-exclusive actions, too.

Jeez, why do these WM whining threads have to be such a headache to read? It's the same nonsense but with a different flavour almost every time, with the only saving grace being those telling the whiners that the ability is better than they're giving credit for.

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if you dont like these kind of threads the door is over there *points at a magical door that says "EXIT" over it* why don't you leave the thread and stop looking at threads that give you a headache...

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

if you dont like these kind of threads the door is over there *points at a magical door that says "EXIT" over it* why don't you leave the thread and stop looking at threads that give you a headache...

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Hard to do that when the vocal minority likes to make a big fuss out of something they don't want to bother adjusting to. I come here on the chance to find people who provide valid points and proper discussion. Instead, I have to sift through a bunch of people crying over a change that has made one of the easiest DPS jobs in the game a little less brain-dead. It's unreal how salty these people are. If they put as much time they do complaining into actually adapting to the changes and progress as a proper player, we wouldn't see so many "WM is bad" threads.

I apologize if my words offend you, but this needs to be said. Everyone crying over WM needs to shut up or switch jobs. It's getting too tedious.

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Originally Posted by SlyRoyale

Instead, I have to sift through a bunch of people crying over a change that has made one of the easiest DPS jobs in the game a little less brain-dead. It's unreal how salty these people are.

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All WM did is make bard slower and easier to play, with missing oGCD abilities being less of a big deal, because you cannot hit all of them
I never understood how it makes it harder or less brain dead.
People have a right to not enjoy it, and to express their opinion.

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Originally Posted by SlyRoyale

Hard to do that when the vocal minority likes to make a big fuss out of something they don't want to bother adjusting to.

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people who wanted that play style can play the new MCH job. isn't that why new jobs are created and released to provide a new playing experience for the playerbase?

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Originally Posted by SlyRoyale

Everyone crying over WM needs to shut up or switch jobs. It's getting too tedious.

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to what? is there a ranged DPS without casting times that only you know about?

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Originally Posted by Rikkustrife

All WM did is make bard slower and easier to play, with missing oGCD abilities being less of a big deal, because you cannot hit all of them
I never understood how it makes it harder or less brain dead.
People have a right to not enjoy it, and to express their opinion.

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Toggling WM to sneak in auto-attacks. Enforcing necessary movement instead of strafe-hopping like a tool like some BRDs do. In those regards, WM makes the job less brain-dead despite already being so easy. In fact, WM makes DoT management a lot easier thanks to Iron Jaws.
Also, just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean they should force it down everyone's throats. Crying for WM's removal and other related nonsense is no different than aggressive converting practices.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

people who wanted that play style can play the new MCH job. isn't that why new jobs are created and released to provide a new playing experience for the playerbase?

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It's not just MCH we're talking about here, it's BRD. People are bitching over the changes like it's the end of the world, and it's annoying sifting through it all trying to find posts worth reading. There's addressing viable concerns and there's simply crying and whining. From what I've seen, there's more of the latter than the former.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

to what? is there a ranged DPS without casting times that only you know about?

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It's called turning off WM and GB during heavy movement periods, or toggling it to sneak in an auto-attack. I'm not the only one who knows about it either, as I actually try to adjust with what is given to the job I main.

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Originally Posted by SlyRoyale

Crying for WM's removal and other related nonsense is no different than aggressive converting practices.

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This thread is not about removing it though

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Originally Posted by Rikkustrife

This thread is not about removing it though

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It's about making two skills exclusive to it being made available outside of WM. It is essentially similar.

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Originally Posted by SlyRoyale

It's about making two skills exclusive to it being made available outside of WM. It is essentially similar.

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no its called being flexible there are people who like turret mode but there are people who don't. who would like to use all there kit without needing to be turret mode.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

no its called being flexible there are people who like turret mode but there are people who don't. who would like to use all there kit without needing to be turret mode.

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Good players who use all of their toolkit properly. A concept most BRDs complaining about WM seem to not understand.