Capped [Class] =/= Capped [Job]

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

I would expect you to have to be on the Job while doing those quests. Now, bear in mind the jobs are not meant to be successful in solo play.

I imagine the quest tasks being more about completing certain objectives on the job, rather than a simple fight. If it becomes more like that then the quests will be much more interesting than a simple 'rip through it on your lv50' endeavor.

Examples:

Paladin: Survive for X minutes.
WHM: Keep an ally alive for Y minutes.

Another possibility is having the quest difficulty scale based on the actual level of the player entering.

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yes, i hope they scale the difficulty to the level of your character, but i doubt it will happen. i do agree to do the quest to get the abilities and gear you will more than likely have to be on the job that it is for like getting your guild marks.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

Correct, so we now know:

Unlock a Job at R30 via quest.
Job Level = Class Level
EXP is shared between the two, essentially meaning it is still the same class but containing Job Perks
To gain job specific abilities/and gear, you will have to complete a quest every 5 levels, starting at Level 30.

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yes, to the extent things have been explained you are completely correct.

Yeah, I just wanted to put it in the most basic of terms. Though I know it's a pointless effort and will still be argued.

EXP is shared may mean something different .. as in you have lvl 50 GLA, and lvl 1 PLD ... when you kill mobs as a lvl 50 GLA and earn XP, you will earn that XP for your PLD. Meaning you still have to relvl PLD, but you just got kicked in the groin for lvling it before original Jobs came out. SE does like to make things a grind to extend life.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

Yeah, I just wanted to put it in the most basic of terms. Though I know it's a pointless effort and will still be argued.

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oh boy isn't that for sure. since you gave a simple post did you make sure that everything was spelled correctly and all letters capital where they should be? if not they go into grammar police when they have no other argument to fall back on.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

oh boy isn't that for sure. since you gave a simple post did you make sure that everything was spelled correctly and all letters capital where they should be? if not they go into grammar police when they have no other argument to fall back on.

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Originally Posted by Bluebun

EXP is shared may mean something different .. as in you have lvl 50 GLA, and lvl 1 PLD ... when you kill mobs as a lvl 50 GLA and earn XP, you will earn that XP for your PLD. Meaning you still have to relvl PLD, but you just got kicked in the groin for lvling it before original Jobs came out. SE does like to make things a grind to extend life.

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no that was commented on be a dev back before even 1.18 was released. the rank for the class will be the rank for the job.

Case and point. Dah well. It's why I don't post on theory threads often.

classes: a wide collection of skills stemming from leveling at using a specific weapon.

When playing a class you may choose skills from other classes to either play a new creation of your own design or something with versatility.

Jobs: niche predefined playstyles. Cross class skills will be limited, and new skills will become available by completing a quest every five levels after opening the job (starting at 30)

choose a class you want to play. lets say you have a 40 GLA and want to play as a tank. You switch to sword and shield. On top of that you now set yourself to PLD because you have earned it and 2 pld specific skills to aid you in tanking.

you are now a 40GLA playing in your PLD niche role. You wont be able to cross class as much stuff, but you now have added benefits such as the skills you quested. When you earn exp this way it just goes to your class, as jobs arent leveled, but are enhanced this new way.

^ that is how I read everything and what it is sounding like.

perhaps someone can clarify exactly what'll happen to the following then...

R50 archer
R50 conjurer
R50 gladiator
R50 shield.

cause im sorry, if we have to go through quests and other stuff to RE-unlock the "potential" thats pretty much bull. i mean people have already put the time and effort into leveling classes to R50 and shouldnt have to do quests so they arent gimped because SE decided in thier high and mighty limo's that they want to be idiots AGAIN.

Holy mother of the twelve; I leave for one class and the thread degenerates. There has to be some psychological affinity, in some people, to picking apart under-articulated semantics unrelated to the central point and debating them as if they're evidence against the core argument. Give me a moment here, let's see if we can get this back on track.

No one claimed that EXP and Rank would not be shared by Classes and Jobs.
The point is that simply having a class that is currently as achieved as it can be does not mean you will be automatically handed a job that has been fully accomplished to the same point.

Let us remember a core behavior of MMO Players: If it's not cap, it's gimp.

• Yes. Your Rank 50 Gladiator will become a "Rank 50" Paladin. With no skills, storyline completion, or benefits and/or specialized equipment/accessories provided by completing the 5 quests associated with them.
• Yes. If basic combat is required on these quests, your Rank 50 job might very well tear through the first 3 with relative ease.
• No. That doesn't make it too easy, too simple, or unrelated to your class.

Six months after jobs are instated, do you think the population of players in the game (easily represented by frequent forumgoers) will overlook the fact that you're a capped GLA who can't PLD? Hell no. Future players will not have the luxury you do of having a head start - when Rank 30 hits, they're gonna need to do their quest. It's not going to be easy.

What makes you think the quests are quick?
Jobs have been what we've been begging for to give "that Final Fantasy flair" to the game since day one. I don't think Team Yoshida believes they can ham-handedly throw them in without cutscenes and lore dependent on really hammering home that the JOBS are HERE and reconciling where the crap they've been this whole time. Our first experiences with them have to be intense, legit, and solid (read: long) or we're going to flood back in here bitching about how we got a spoonful instead of a kiddy-pool we can not only taste and eat, but rub all over ourselves and make asemic groans at while we tell the forums how "Meh, okay." it is.

EDIT: Actually, most of the things I was going to address have been put back on track by other members... that's a new experience for me, lol. Thank you for clearing up whatever ambiguity I'd left room for.

Glad to see someone had enough sense to make this post. Unfortunately Anonymoose, some people won't be happy until they have to pointlessly grind out another 1,782,150 SP on every single job.