More fun times in WoD

I would make a very loud *sigh* seeing you as CNJ... but that's mostly because the other few times I've seen a class in 50 duty, it hasn't exactly ended well.

If you kept people alive and all, then I guess it's not a problem, and I usually come with awful healers that can't do better with those job abilities anyway... but...

What you did, is still what I hate about WoD... It's just full of people that either suck or doesn't bother/bored. I know you did your job, but still, why not try to do your best? The job abilities could maybe have helped you DPS even more... either way, I'm more talking about principles here.

When I do WoD(or rather, when I was doing it), I always at least put in a decent performance as a DPS. Even when I was slacking off some, I was still outputting 2, 3 or even 4(!) times more DPS than the average other DPS there... I'm not trying to sound like an elitist or anything, and it's WoD, I know... but I still want people to perform well and get through it fast, or get through it at all...

It has kinda become the mentality in the game that nothing matters.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't your fault, and I would never call you out if I was in that party.

Ok, here, I'll break it down simple like. You should have expected grief from the decision you made. So, why even complain on the forums? No one is gonna throw you a pity party, and no one cares. Post something interesting.

No one is complaining dude, and I'm not asking for pity! I'm actually enjoying the conversation going on here :) though i'd like to know why you think i'm complaining. I was even amused when we wiped!

If you don't find this thread interesting, no one is making you stay. Move along if you wish.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

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This is a reasonable post. That being said, I was doing as good of a job as a CNJ as I would have as a WHM. Like I said before, my party really wasn't taking much damage due to them avoiding stuff and all. When I wasn't raising and healing other parties (and my own when they did need it, though they rarely needed more than a quick Cure I or II), I was dpsing, so I was still performing optimally. I didn't see any situation where WHM skills would have benefited me anymore than CNJ skills. Any dps boost from having WHM skills would have been extremely minor at best.

Plus, healer dps in WoD is just an extra bonus really. I could have not bothered with it at all. Plenty of healers don't dps at all, and I personally do not have a problem with that considering a healer's primary focus should be healing. I'd rather a healer who isn't good at multitasking just focus on healing rather than try to heal and dps and slack on healing as a result.

All they would have done was contribute to overhealing in this case. And to be honest, I was paying even more attention as a CNJ than I usually do as a WHM. Grinding the billionth time as a WHM would be brain numbing, CNJ was a fresh, fun experience that engaged my brain more.

I do understand your frustrations though. WoD groups are oftentimes very awful. If I was really wanting something from the last boss and had done a million runs already with no luck, I'd want as few risks as possible in the group and would probably be annoyed at first if I saw a CNJ.

I was aiming to prove to myself as well as to them though that I was capable of healing the raid successfully as a CNJ, and I did just that. Their frustrations with me quickly turned into frustrations with each other, and approval (or at least awareness that I wasn't causing a problem) of me. First impressions are often deceiving, as was the case here. People should always try to remember that. I personally will gladly take a talented CNJ with a bad first impression who gets the job done over an untalented WHM with a good first impression who does not get it done.

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Originally Posted by Adire

There was no slack, as I've said several times already. So there goes your point. Also, I recall a thread a bit back that involved a raid made of 3 tanks and 21 scholars. They cleared WoD. If they can do that, I highly doubt 1 CNJ is going to severely impact a raid.

Thanks for the people supporting me, you obviously have a sense of fun :D

I didn't cause any harm to anyone and enjoyed myself more than I would have if I would have went in as a whm for the billionth time. I'm glad some people see that :3

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I didn't say you personally slacked. If I'm doing lvl50 content and I see someone without their soulstone experience tells me I should assume the worst from their performance. If you went in as CNJ and still played well, good for you. But you're the exception, not the rule so people's reactions are to be expected. Plus if you did that well as CNJ you would have done even better as WHM.

In the grand scheme of things, did it cause a lot of harm? No, probably not. However, that brings me back to my original question: if everyone else forwent the use of their stone too do you think your group would have done better or worse?

You also can't begin to compare a coordinated premade (made up of a borderline hybrid class no less) with your average WoD group, half of whom may as well be afk or have never heard the word "rotation" before. The only thing it proves is that a good group can clear relatively easy content with suboptinal comp.

And while "fun" is subjective, I don't at all see what's so entertaining about playing a weaker version of your Job.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

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I wouldn't have done any better actually, lol. As I've said several times, I kept my party alive and healed to full health and raised other parties when I saw that they needed it. Isn't that exactly what a WHM could have done? I never spotted a time when benediction would have made a difference, never saw the need for divine seal. Being a WHM would have only made me overheal.

And I already answered that question. What do you think has more of an impact on a group? One conjurer when there should be a WHM, or 21 scholars when there should be 6 healers and 15 dps? I'm aware that a coordinated group is superior to a pug. But unintended jobs still made up 15/24 of that raid. That alone will impact the flow of the raid more than one person who is playing without a soulstone. One person who is completely inept in WoD never makes a noticeable difference in its ability to be completed if enough others know what they're doing, so why would a competent CNJ not being a WHM make a difference?

That's still far more of an impact than one conjurer will have. I've even seen people solo heal a party before in WoD...


And as I said before. I enjoy challenging myself and wanted to do something different from the usual boring mindless grind.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I don't care what your role is or how skilled you are. If I see someone as a class in lvl50 content I automatically assume they're okay with letting everyone else pick up their slack.

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Is this not you assuming that I'm slacking and okay with it? Given the context of this thread, it strongly insinuates that you are. If you weren't though, I apologize, but you would have assumed wrongly of me regardless had we met in this WoD run.

What I see from the OP, correct if I'm wrong. But I see OP stating that DPS are not meeting the DPS checks due to deaths. WHM has more cure potency that CNJ cure. And then after several wipes, alliance abandons duty. So overall a bad run. Not a good one at all. So of course you're gonna get blamed. Not because of your lack of skill. But the fact that you are in there without a job stone. Scapegoat anyone? Granted you're not the only healer in there. But if you don't want to be blamed for wipes/not being able to complete the duty. Then come in prepared. That includes gear/cross class skills/job stone equiped.

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Originally Posted by Adire

Also, I recall a thread a bit back that involved a raid made of 3 tanks and 21 scholars.

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It was super fun. We gotta do this again sometime.

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I don't think this would've worked out nearly as well if we were CNJ, though. Holy spam 2gud.

*shrug* I tend to roll my eyes when I see classes in duties rather than jobs. If they're not playing their role properly, I usually start a vote kick at the first opportunity. If you're going to call attention to yourself by going into a duty without your soulstone, you'd better be ready to be scrutinized. It sounds like you did your job fine, and just had sucky DPS.

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Originally Posted by Woggers

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Nah, they were bashing me when the duty started. They stopped bashing me after Angra went well. Many of the DPS were dying to lightning and such (and maybe stuff I didn't notice) during the first wipe (5 headed dragon), and they just didn't stop slime on the second wipe. The frustrations after that point were all directed towards the dps. I even saw a few dps literally run away from people with lightning while the people tried to chase them down, haha.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

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Thanks for posting that Ashkendor :) I enjoyed seeing that thread.

But yeah, I was aware people would notice me being a CNJ immediately and that people would be watching me. The fact that all the bashing of me stopped as we progressed through the dungeon and frustration happened enough to cause a vote abandon to succeed only when the dps started failing makes it seem like everyone else was fine with how I was performing, I know my party was.

I think it is kind of foolish to go into a group content and not have your character set up to do optimal performance. If you want a challenge then go do something solo, but when you are in a group with tons of other people who are counting on your best performance it is rather selfish to not give your best. I'm not saying you are a bad player or anything, but if a stone would have increased your output by even 1% then you should have used it for the group content.

EDIT: I thought I would add that while I don't have any endgame experience here (new player) I have tons of endgame experience playing WoW. In WoW it was very easy for people to skip one or two small things when optimizing their gear. Afterall you need gems, enchants, reforging (past expansions), a good rotation, ect... Oftentimes people would skip one or two things and it was no big deal, but if enough people in the raid started doing this then all the "minor" things started to add up to major things and suddenly you would start to fail at downing content.

To sum it up, its always best to optimize a character even if the difference is "minor".

Just my 2 cents.