Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Why should only people who do FcoB be the only ones aloud to have ilvl 130 gear? For those who have not unlocked the content or have a GROUP to do it, being limited in what you can and cant have is terrible and turns you away from the game. Again why should only a minority of people who do a tiny bit of the end game content be aloud to gain the highest level in gear?

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with carbontine u upgrade ironworks to ilvl 130 , + encrypted tomestome for weapon

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Why should only people who do FcoB be the only ones aloud to have ilvl 130 gear? For those who have not unlocked the content or have a GROUP to do it, being limited in what you can and cant have is terrible and turns you away from the game. Again why should only a minority of people who do a tiny bit of the end game content be aloud to gain the highest level in gear?

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I already answered, please read my post again : you don't have any useful way to use the i130 gear if you don't clean the Coil.

You're just answering me with other questions, I still wait a correct answer : why do you really need i130 gear if the i120 gear is enough for what you're doing ?

I really hate the upgrade system, I liked it more when tome and coil gear was the same level so I didn't have to worry about my mind and could just wear whatever I liked best. But since we have this now... I support this. I still use WoD gear (and have used ST gear before) but as a healer especially, secondary are so minor that you'll always want the 130 gear over the 120, unless as a sch you really need to stack crit. It's a shame. There are some good drops but in the back of my mind I'm always thinking "is it really worth wearing this for the secondary stats when I could have more mind and some 20 points in a stats I don't like?" and the answer is usually no.

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I already answered, please read my post again : you don't have any useful way to use the i130 gear if you don't clean the Coil.

You're just answering me with other questions, I still wait a correct answer : why do you really need i130 gear if the i120 gear is enough for what you're doing ?

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Some people need 130 to clear content because they can't do it in 120, just like some need Echo. So what? Why do you even care what people use their gear on? It's none of your business.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

with carbontine u upgrade ironworks to ilvl 130 , + encrypted tomestome for weapon

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Encrypted Tomestone isn't available outside FCoB yet.

ScarletDawn's complaint wasn't about that you couldn't get i130 gear, but that Utsu was saying that i130 was/should only be important to raiders.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

I really hate the upgrade system, I liked it more when tome and coil gear was the same level so I didn't have to worry about my mind and could just wear whatever I liked best. But since we have this now... I support this. I still use WoD gear (and have used ST gear before) but as a healer especially, secondary are so minor that you'll always want the 130 gear over the 120, unless as a sch you really need to stack crit. It's a shame. There are some good drops but in the back of my mind I'm always thinking "is it really worth wearing this for the secondary stats when I could have more mind and some 20 points in a stats I don't like?" and the answer is usually no.


Some people need 130 to clear content because they can't do it in 120, just like some need Echo. So what? Why do you even care what people use their gear on? It's none of your business.

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As you said, Echo buff exists, can't they wait for it to be up on FCoB ? i120 gear is enough to clean FCoB, it's enough to try to beat it aswell.

And you missed something : a lot of ppl want i130 gear and won't go to the FCoB.

The problem is that a majority of ppl think that raiders are elitists, but they're wrong. We don't look at them like "Hahaha look at these baddies, i120 xoxo", I just don't understand why they need endgame gear without any useful way to use it. As raiders, we don't need endgame gear to /afk Mor Dhona and show how strong we are, we just want the endgame gear to do "hardcore" PvE things as I said on my other post, and to optimize our jobs and rosters as high as it's possible.

Anyway, peace.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Encrypted Tomestone isn't available outside FCoB yet.

ScarletDawn's complaint wasn't about that you couldn't get i130 gear, but that Utsu was saying that i130 was/should only be important to raiders.

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it will be avaliable at WoD or Gold saucer thats for sure .

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

WoD pieces replacing FCoB pieces as best in slot? No thanks, and I haven't even started Final coil yet.

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Dat tank chest piece doe....

I agree if both dreadwyrm and ironwork piece is horrible would be nice if demon piece would give you bis stats with ilvl130 gear. Like SMN and BRD have pretty horrible skillspeed/spellspeed gear.

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Originally Posted by Utsu

I already answered, please read my post again : you don't have any useful way to use the i130 gear if you don't clean the Coil.

You're just answering me with other questions, I still wait a correct answer : why do you really need i130 gear if the i120 gear is enough for what you're doing ?

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So your attitude is you don't raid so you don't deserve ilvl 130 gear. And this is why people are labeled as elitist. Your saying im not aloud to have gear because i dont go FcoB, i pay my sub im aloud to have the entire game.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

So your attitude is you don't raid so you don't deserve ilvl 130 gear. And this is why people are labeled as elitist. Your saying im not aloud to have gear because i dont go FcoB, i pay my sub im aloud to have the entire game.

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I'm not saying that at all, what the hell...

It's not about "you don't deserve", it's about "you don't need it", did you really read my posts ?

Come on, please, could you please stop calling us elitists when you seem to feel inferiors by yourself with your bad interpretations ?

And you have the entire game, FCoB is not closed.