Artisan Offhand Meld Discussion.

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Originally Posted by xPeAcEx

No! That's just misinformation. Without the Ingenuity 2, you don't get enough progress to finish it in 4 steps. If you do, provide your stats and progress per step if you think you do please.

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4 stars, they are 586 not 451 or 518. And it's not 4 steps, it's 5 steps without INGII vs 5 steps with INGII.

PbP gives 194
RS gives 135 at 461
CSII gives 65 at 461

194+135+135+65+65=594

451 gives 63 and 131 for CSII and RS, 461 gives 65 and 135. Somewhere in the middle is 64 and 133, which will complete your synth. I estimated it at around 455, I have tested at 457 and it was enough, giving 64 and 134.

The only way to finish a 4* in four steps is with PbP and 3xRS, which is a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by xPeAcEx

4* 451:
pbp, ing2, rs, rs
cs at end to finish
meaning we have 366 usable cp (398-32)

4* 518:
pbp, rs, rs
just a standard synth.
meaning we have 358 usable cp (373-15)

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I would advise re-thinking these to be honest.

Both are a big CP lose and the first is a big RNG risk, as you need SH2 *and* Ing2 up for the 2 80% progress skills, meaning at best 4 trys without having to refresh those buffs. (i.e. anoher huge CP loss)

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

4 stars, they are 586 not 451 or 518. And it's not 4 steps, it's 5 steps without INGII vs 5 steps with INGII.

PbP gives 194
RS gives 135 at 461
CSII gives 65 at 461

194+135+135+65+65=594

451 gives 63 and 131 for CSII and RS, 461 gives 65 and 135. Somewhere in the middle is 64 and 133, which will complete your synth. I estimated it at around 455, I have tested at 457 and it was enough, giving 64 and 134.

The only way to finish a 4* in four steps is with PbP and 3xRS, which is a bad idea.

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Can you stop trolling and get out of my thread already. You are the most annoying lala that does NOT know how to read and gives nothing but bad information. I highly doubt you even have a 4 star crafter at this point.

Learn to READ: 451 and 518 are my craftmanship stat, not the progress required for the craft. I'm not going to bother talking to you or replying to your posts in the future, you have the most nonsense posts i've ever read.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

I would advise re-thinking these to be honest.

Both are a big CP lose and the first is a big RNG risk, as you need SH2 *and* Ing2 up for the 2 80% progress skills, meaning at best 4 trys without having to refresh those buffs. (i.e. anoher huge CP loss)

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You'd pop sh2 regardless unless you feel like risking multiple pbp at 90% or relying on multiple MMII's throughout the craft. Anyways this isn't a thread for rotation but about meld choices for offhands so i won't go deeper into rotations, feel free to create a separate thread and we can talk about it there.

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Originally Posted by xPeAcEx

Can you stop trolling and get out of my thread already. You are the most annoying lala that does NOT know how to read and gives nothing but bad information. I highly doubt you even have a 4 star crafter at this point.

Learn to READ: 451 and 518 are my craftmanship stat, not the progress required for the craft. I'm not going to bother talking to you or replying to your posts in the future, you have the most nonsense posts i've ever read.

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To be fair, from what I've read of StouterTaru's posts, I suspect he/she is a very good crafter.

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Originally Posted by xPeAcEx

You'd pop sh2 regardless unless you feel like risking multiple pbp at 90% or relying on multiple MMII's throughout the craft. Anyways this isn't a thread for rotation but about meld choices for offhands so i won't go deeper into rotations, feel free to create a separate thread and we can talk about it there.

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The point is you need them both up and using a 2nd buff loses a stack from the previously applied buff.

Should you then fail 3 out of 4 RS(pretty common), you have to spend a lot more CP getting those buffs back up again, leading to few touches etc.

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Originally Posted by xPeAcEx

Can you stop trolling and get out of my thread already. You are the most annoying lala that does NOT know how to read and gives nothing but bad information. I highly doubt you even have a 4 star crafter at this point.

Learn to READ: 451 and 518 are my craftmanship stat, not the progress required for the craft. I'm not going to bother talking to you or replying to your posts in the future, you have the most nonsense posts i've ever read.

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OK 451 craftsmanship vs 457, the numbers I gave, go ahead and refute them.

451 - PbP > INGII + 2x RS + 2xCSII
457 - PbP > 2xRS + 2xCSII

You seem to be the troll that is always asking advice, parroting what you find on reddit, and giving out bad advice. How many 4 star synths have you actually done?

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

OK 451 craftsmanship vs 457, the numbers I gave, go ahead and refute them.

451 - PbP > INGII + 2x RS + CSII
457 - PbP > 2xRS + CSII

You seem to be the troll that is always asking advice, parroting what you find on reddit, and giving out bad advice. How many 4 star synths have you actually done?

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Your Missing a CSII from the 2nd one ^_-

On topic.

I have 1 with 4 con 6 craft 5 craft 5 craft 3 control. I am planning to wipe it clean just to change it to 21 craft and 3 CP like the rest of them are. When I use up every CP with some of my macros....it annoys the hell out of me missing that 3 CP on this one (was my weaver that I melded first to allow me to craft my artisan pants). I haven't done it yet in the hopes this patch adds artisan body and I can somehow alter all of my rotations with it and not miss that CP anymore...I will find out tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

Your Missing a CSII from the 2nd one ^_-

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oops, missing a 2nd CSII from both of them

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

OK 451 craftsmanship vs 457, the numbers I gave, go ahead and refute them.

451 - PbP > INGII + 2x RS + 2xCSII
457 - PbP > 2xRS + 2xCSII

You seem to be the troll that is always asking advice, parroting what you find on reddit, and giving out bad advice. How many 4 star synths have you actually done?

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I barely read reddit except for the one time i was trying to compare and contrast relish rotation. Your rotations are as skilled as your understand and comprehension of the English language.

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All luck :)

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

Should you then fail 3 out of 4 RS(pretty common), you have to spend a lot more CP getting those buffs back up again, leading to few touches etc.

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If you look at a previous post, i said that myself that i didn't like using a rotation that relied on 4 RS.