Punished by the game for being a Dragoon. (Magic defense and 2.4)

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Originally Posted by Zumi

SCH can still stoneskin there is no reason not to do it almost no damage is going out when you are killing the egg. Do you want to take the risk of someone dying cause the game decides to hit them in the higher damage range?

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I'm sorry but your argument is false, Nerve cloud attack right after the egg is always in the highest critical numbers (for everyone), that's the reason why we made this comparison, everyone lived with about 500 to 2k HP (more for tanks of course), with the same buffs our dragoon died.

Quoting youm's reply from youtube for more details :

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No blood for blood. Storm's path, virus and dragon kick on the boss, adloq on everyone and fairy buff. We usually use the tank LB as well, as even with stoneskin the DRG still dies (no magic def on sch protect, and only 10% with sch stoneskin isnt enough to make him survive). The tank lb kicked in a second too late on this attempt, and the drg clearly died despite the fact the rest of the group still had over 10% of their health left. (He took 6.6k dmg while the rest of the group only took 4.9k).

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Also...

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Originally Posted by Zumi

In that video its actually your whms fault that the drg died.

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Originally Posted by Vinyl

They don't actually seem to have a white mage. I just see two scholars. Dragoon in our static never gets one shotted there with proper stoneskin buff.

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You re not getting the point, it's not about a fault matter, it's about the fact that if our dragoon was playing monk or any other dps, he would have lived. It's again the same problem on T12, if our dragoon isn't shielded for a whitefire : he will get one shot, other people won't need a shield and survives.

I'm not here to fight with someone arguments because there is no need to :p the fact is clear enough : if our dragoon was a mnk or a ninja or anything else he wouldn't get one shot like that.
This is the whole point of this thread : having a dragoon in your team for fcob will make fights harder to deal with, it will slow down your raid progression, your dragoon will need special-extra cares and sometimes it won't even be enough, this is unfair for dragoons.

I know people say the Dragoon didn't have blood for blood up because it isn't shown on the buff list, but it entirely possible that he did. It only shows a limited number of debuffs/buffs on the party list. Unless you can definitively tell us that he did not have blood for blood up, that video has no merit. Dragoon has less magic defense, but more HP. Given the same buffs and ilvl, a Dragoon will survive just as well as any other melee.

Is that so hard to read the post right above your?

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Originally Posted by Ryans

I know people say the Dragoon didn't have blood for blood up because it isn't shown on the buff list, but it entirely possible that he did. It only shows a limited number of debuffs/buffs on the party list. Unless you can definitively tell us that he did not have blood for blood up, that video has no merit.

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Duh, read above, requoting for you :

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No blood for blood.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

Given the same buffs and ilvl, a Dragoon will survive just as well as any other melee.

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False :/ especially in fcob :

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Originally Posted by Atomnium

It's again the same problem on T12, if our dragoon isn't shielded for a whitefire : he will get one shot, other people won't need a shield and survives.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I honestly never understood why Dragoon has lower magic defense... I mean... It's a Job that is supposed to specialize in fighting magical fire breathing lizards, right? If anything I'd expect them to have the highest magic defense...

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This right here, folks.

I totally agree with what has been said here. My group tried all of once to mitigate the Nerve Cloud without a tank lb and I got hit for 6760 damage...with adlo, stoneskin, fairy etc up. If a class has to babied through a mechanic, it should at least have some payoff...but as of right now, especially in T11, there is no payoff at all for playing dragoon :(. (Well, except for how fun I find it, but fun does not push down raid progression :/.)

DRG Magic def doesn't worry me, that's how they designed the class around the other tools they have.

What worries me is, how did FCoB successfully passed several QA tests without noticing this critical issue? Did they never use a DRG for testing? Or did they test using i130 gear?

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Originally Posted by Alukah

What worries me is, how did FCoB successfully passed several QA tests without noticing this critical issue? Did they never use a DRG for testing? Or did they test using i130 gear?

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They probably tested with a party in full i120-130 gear under the assumption that this is the "intended" item level for the encounters.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

SCH can still stoneskin there is no reason not to do it almost no damage is going out when you are killing the egg. Do you want to take the risk of someone dying cause the game decides to hit them in the higher damage range?

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interesting thing, no one had stone skin. even with stone skin, unless he was topped off, he still would have died. OP said he took 6.6k dmg. take 600 for stone skin, and still not enough.

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Originally Posted by Krr

They probably tested with a party in full i120-130 gear under the assumption that this is the "intended" item level for the encounters.

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More than likely they're tested with full sets of the available gear up to that point.
For example, full High Allagan, or i120 gear plus drops from the previous turn.
It's actually a rather interesting issue in testing. See, those that test are basically at the level of the FCs/groups that clear within the first week in terms of skill. And they have to do that every single day multiple times.
So chances are it's a testing oversight due to the testers being too good at their jobs. Over time content we struggle with can become like spinning a wheel of barnyard animal noises to them.

Really doubt they tested Turn 13 with 110. I'm sure they only tested with 125-130 because that's meant to be the intended level.

These are probably the intended ilevels.

Turn 10: 110-115
Turn 11: 115-120
Turn 12: 120-125
Turn 13: 125-130