Well I guess for me what I would really like to see in 2.0 would be a big graphical update and a more expanded world. That would just hook me for 10 years. I also think SE needs to put higher lvl mobs in certain parts of world maybe a cave full of lvl 50 mobs with item level 100 gear on. Let blk mage have sneak and white mage have invisi. Basically take the good aspects and schematics from ff11 and the good aspects of ff14 1.0 meaning a graphics update, more open world and weighted characters and put that all into realm reborn. I won't lie it does in some areas feel cramped or crowded, example: mor dhana can get really cramp on my server especially during japanese prime time.
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10-14-2014, 02:17 AMsorahu
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10-14-2014, 02:25 AMRyansYou realize this goes both ways, right? Just because you didn't like 1.23 doesn't mean it was broken. 1.23 had a lot more engaging and strategic combat system from 2.0. The only actual things broken with it were the server structure and it's graphics optimization which didn't need a complete remake of the core mechanics to fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by SinisterIsBack
I would love to play the 2.0 content that was designed for the 1.23 system. It had actual character and could have been much better than ARR if they had devoted their entire team to fleshing it out instead of just a few people keeping it running while ARR was being developed. -
10-14-2014, 02:29 AMShougun
Bake and eat my cake would be a mix of the two, but that was not really your question was it..? lol
Particularly I miss the more down to earth armor designs*, natural color palette, animations, some music I got stuck with being in Thanalan and Ul'dah so much.
I guess shortly described the game was very clunky and needed a lot of work- Yoshida did that, but he also changed what I felt like was a more mature theme into a pop "be unique by being like all the other kids". I don't hate the new theme, but I wish to have seen the other one .
My cake would probably be the best 85% of Yoshida and the best 15% of Tanaka, both Soken and Nobou, with the budget of WoW. lol
Thats not happening, so.. I look forward to seeing what the expansion is like and seeing Yoshida have the opportunity to lay out his style further, 2.0 was so crunched that some things may be just byproducts of the rush.
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10-14-2014, 02:30 AMDyne_FellpoolNo. But the fact that SquareEnix said that their game is bad, and publicly apologized for it, and tore it down DOES mean it was broken.Quote:
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10-14-2014, 02:31 AMGralnaUm, 1.0 was hemorrhaging money, pretty much every game review site out there tore it apart, developers apologized about game, SE decided to tear it down and rebuild it. I'm pretty sure that gives the general consensus that 1.0 was brokeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryans
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10-14-2014, 02:33 AMVolcanoIn a sense he is a tad right, some people simply like really bad games and grow an attachment to them.Quote:
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10-14-2014, 02:38 AMTupsiIt's obvious you never touched it or you wouldn't keep repeating this. Those of us who actually did and enjoyed it and followed ARR's development remember pretty plain as day we were told things would be "fixed" rather than gutted and converted to the "WoW standard" which took out quite a lot of depth and character XIV had going for it. 1.0 was broken because it was unfinished, as in it was never completed for launch. 1.23 however? The version where subs doubled-tripled as per YoshiP's words? That version wasn't broken beyond the core server structure, which as SE themselves said (since you love reiterating that SE did soandso) was the main issue and the main reason for the reconstruction, so they can actually fix the core issues with XIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool
Hence why 'WoW standard' MMOs seem to never end even though they rarely succeed because they usually half-design the same systems and as the saying goes, "WoW does WoW best."Quote:
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10-14-2014, 02:38 AMYamimarik
What exactly would be the point in all this? To waste the dev's time, SE's money, and our time? I'm sorry, but FFXIV is gone. I'm not sure why you would want to play it, since it was trashed, and then ARR was built up from it's name and here we are. Is it for the sake of nostalgia? Then, as many people love to point out in these forums, go watch it on youtube.
I don't want this game to be FFXIV or FFXI-2. So many people are after that here, and I came here to play a brand new game, and that is what FFXIV:ARR is, a new game. I don't mind if elements are added from XIV, or XI, but to make this entire game into another XI or XIV? You do know there are games that have that style of game-play still active and running, one that is still ran by SE? Right?
FFXIV:ARR isn't "broken", it's just a new generation of MMO's. If so many of you really dislike this game that much, that you want a FFXIV server to play on instead, why do you even play this? I mean if I was playing a game, and realized it wasn't what I thought it was going to be and I wasn't enjoying myself, I'd just stop playing that game. It confuses me so much to see people on here constantly saying "I hate this game, I want FFXIV back, I want old archaic game play back, I want FFXI-2". Why not give actual helpful suggestions or just stop playing something you dislike so much, instead of trying to turn back time and bringing something that failed according to SE and the fans as well.
In short no, I do not want a FFXIV server to be associated with FFXIV:ARR. I personally don't see the point in bringing a game back that simply SE doesn't want to use anymore. -
10-14-2014, 02:40 AMBobbinT
Oh yes! A thousand times yes! I miss the old Eorzea! XD
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10-14-2014, 02:42 AMHulanThis is what it kind of comes down to, 1.0 level of perfection in models, textures, and style was unsustainable in the long run. With current technology, you just can't produce assets at that level of fidelity at a rate that will satisfy customers. That's why - I suspect - the lighting model is so good in 2.x. Lighting is scale-able. It continues to look good no matter how many assets you have to produce, without any additional effort. I can't speak to Sneak and Inv, since Yoshi-P has directly stated he doesn't like the idea of forced spell/item usage to access parts of the game. But what you are asking for is basically what will naturally happen over the course of FFXIV 2.x and greater's life. MMOs evolve organically to meet the needs of the players. 3.0 will almost certainly host a substantial rework of the job and class system - how substantial is still up in the air, but it will be noticeable I assure you. Even if it's just a level increase that introduce new spells and abilities that drastically change the way the job plays.Quote:
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That's exactly why I wouldn't play 1.xx again. It would be static, unchanging, boring. Even the best MMO in the world can be played out if it never evolves. Unless we are talking about a hypothetical situation where they supported both 1.x and 2.x+. In which case, I have no comment because it's a silly premise.