Easy Mode Coil Proposal

I'd like this. It would be good for FCs with coil groups but extra people that can't go because the active members aren't in groups of 8. We would be able to get them some experience through out all the phases and point out which mechanics they have to look out for when they have to pug it (so sad). SE can even go the extra mile and keep score for each fight and tell them how many times they would have died from a mechanic if they actually fought the same way in normal mode coil.

My FC has 1 coil group and some extra members, we probably could train the extra members for coil but since the static group's schedule keeps clashing, we could only go to coil once or twice a week so we have to tackle as much as we can in one go. So if we go to coil with extra members outside of the static, we can only go to turn 6 and NOT win it. They're left pugging it and some have just stopped playing because they'd rather not (all they have outside coil is dailies and weekly cap).

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Originally Posted by ispano

Read what I said again. I said I have no reflex issues. I never said anything about them not degrading. I'm saying I don't have issues reacting to everything in the game currently.

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I'm double your age, and I have no problems, but not everybody is the same, some people's reactions get worse quicker, and some people have slow reflexes to start with. I guess over 20 years of playing online games has likely kept my brain "agile"...but yes, age doesn't actually HELP :)

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Originally Posted by ispano

Read what I said again. I said I have no reflex issues. I never said anything about them not degrading. I'm saying I don't have issues reacting to everything in the game currently.

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And I envy you for that. But everyone changes with age at a different rate, e.g. I do not have any gray hairs yet, but a co-worker, who is 29 and got three children is almost completely gray. It happens.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Read what I said again. I said I have no reflex issues. I never said anything about them not degrading. I'm saying I don't have issues reacting to everything in the game currently.

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You Guys really need to take a breakfast with a clown, no one with the slightest sense of humor ^^

now pls, back to topic

Easy mode coil.

There's an NPC near every fight.
Clicking it gives you a echo buff ratio you can use. 5-50% Echo buff.
Instead of getting high allagan you get the latest token gear, in this case soldiery.

Suddenly everyone's doing coil?

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Originally Posted by wicked-one

You Guys really need to take a breakfast with a clown, no one with the slightest sense of humor ^^

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Their sense of humor isn't in light hearten jokes yet more in the pain department of when someone gets hurt or dies.

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Originally Posted by Iriadysa

I'm actually interested in your answer, so I'll follow up: wouldn't the ability to jump right into the phase that is giving you trouble to repeat it over and over without having to go through the tedious initial stages serve you better than learning a slow motion version first and then progressively making it harder?

As humans we learn a lot from trial and error, so being able to retry as fast as possible is key to enhance our learning ability.

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In general, you are correct. I would welcome a "skip to the phase where I am bad" possibility, too. My point is this: To be able to learn something (read: correct an erroneous "program" so you can achieve success), you need to understand (see) what exactly went wrong. The example I have given (looking down at the crossbar for one or two tenths of a second, then being dead at looking back at the arena) does not happen _every_ time, but at least for me personally, it is a major obstacle to improving myself.

Please do not get me wrong: I absolutely do not want to be served everything on a silver platter, and I am willing to invest a lot of time and effort into coil, but I can learn better at my own pace/speed.

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Originally Posted by Rosy

I'm double your age, and I have no problems, but not everybody is the same, some people's reactions get worse quicker, and some people have slow reflexes to start with. I guess over 20 years of playing online games has likely kept my brain "agile"...but yes, age doesn't actually HELP :)

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And you said it right there. It's the "training" that minimizes it. So even at older ages, it's something people could work on if they wanted to.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Easy mode coil.

There's an NPC near every fight.
Clicking it gives you a echo buff ratio you can use. 5-50% Echo buff.
Instead of getting high allagan you get the latest token gear, in this case soldiery.

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Aren´t we talking bout T1-5
it drops i90 by default... by buffing it to 50% ... it should give you Job Gear ^^

Nerfing the highest tier endgame content is a absolutely no-go.

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Originally Posted by wicked-one

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It's not a nerf if it doesn't give the special gear.

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Originally Posted by stupiddog

In general, you are correct. I would welcome a "skip to the phase where I am bad" possibility, too. My point is this: To be able to learn something (read: correct an erroneous "program" so you can achieve success), you need to understand (see) what exactly went wrong. The example I have given (looking down at the crossbar for one or two tenths of a second, then being dead at looking back at the arena) does not happen _every_ time, but at least for me personally, it is a major obstacle to improving myself.

Please do not get me wrong: I absolutely do not want to be served everything on a silver platter, and I am willing to invest a lot of time and effort into coil, but I can learn better at my own pace/speed.

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I understand the point and in paper it sounds right. However, I had some experience playing a previous MMO where this kind of "easier mode" actually was detrimental to my own ability to learn.

Back when TERA wasn't a zombie game and skill actually meant something, Manaya's Core was the highest end content. It had NM and HM. While it was usual for this game to implement different mechanics between NM and HM, in this specific case Manaya (the final and hardest boss of the game) was exactly the same between NM and HM, except for the speed at which she executed her abilities and that some of the skills were not one shots in NM.

While the "not one shot" part was helpful (you can just simulate in your mind that you died anyway), the fact her skills were slower in execution was a problem. TERA was a game were reaction windows were very small compared to other MMOs and your timing was crucial (this is no longer the case, it turned into a gear carried farm fest... like what some other post is asking of FFXIV, but I digress), so learning the timing was cornerstone to surviving.

Thing was, NM would train you to time things at her NM speed and when you entered HM not only did you have to react faster, which wasn't really the problem, but you had to time things at another rhythm. So the dance you had learned in NM was actually being a problem because you had already attuned to a specific rhythm instead of the one required in HM.

Anyway, I do think a "slow motion mode" would be better than a "super echo mode" proposed here, because the slow motion mode would be there to teach people to play the real deal instead of giving everyone a medal for nothing.