1. The number of people who actually believed they would be rewarded for grinding through the grind-barrier, which SE had explicitly set up to discourage excessive grinding are simply delusional and deserve no better.Quote:
no it's just kind of lame to misrepresent a bad part of the game and make people feel like they are benefiting from leveling through fatigue. If there really was no purpose for "bonus" points then they basically just lied to players to keep them playing by changing surplus to bonus.
2. No. That's just how you feel, because you assumed the above. But you're pretty alone with that.
No Rewards for "Bonus SP"? Anyone feeling ripped off?
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07-14-2011, 08:21 PMRinsui
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07-14-2011, 08:24 PMEekiki
My theory is that the surplus points never existed in the first place.
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07-14-2011, 08:25 PMAzurymberso essentially saying people who trust SE are delusional...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinsui
the simple fact is they masked a problem as something good. They called it a bonus, and they mentioned more than once that there would be some use for them in the future. -
07-14-2011, 08:29 PMRinsuiWhat you did was not "trust", but maintaining your own interpretation of the situation.Quote:
so essentially saying people who trust SE are delusional
Your "trust" was built on false assumptions; and since SE never confirmed these false
assumptions, they also didn't betray your trust, just rectify your assumptions. Don't
blame them for not being the way you imagined them to be.
Again, no. They considered the possibility, but they never stated this as a fact.Quote:
and they mentioned more than once that there would be some use for them in the future
Basically your only remaining argument is that they used wording that was prone to be
misunderstood by some readers, who chose to ignore the rest of the evidence that clearly
pointed into another direction (explicit statement that fatigue served to discourage
excessive grinding).
And actually, they gave you a "bonus" already. You had the unique and strictly limited
privilege to experience a yellow, or even a red EXP bar.
Now if that isn't something special! ;) -
07-14-2011, 08:30 PMKirohThat's not really a theory, more a statement with no evidence posted to support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
Still, I'd be very happy when (or if) a day comes where if someone were to ask the community about surplus, they would be met with a resounding response of :
"...Wut?
/10char"
The faster this system fades from our collective memory, the better. -
07-14-2011, 08:35 PMAzurymberhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bonusQuote:
Originally Posted by Rinsui
explain to me how "bonus" applied to these points if they were not to be used for something?
lets go definition by definition.
1."something given or paid over and above what is due."
were we given or paid anything over what was due? no
2. "a sum of money granted or given to an employee, a returned soldier, etc., in addition to regular pay..."
did we get anything? no.
3. "something free, as an extra dividend, given by a corporation to a purchaser of its securities."
did we get something free? no.
Bonus points were essentially the exact opposite of a bonus. Anytime you saw "you have earned x bonus points" you really lost x SP and gained nothing.
How is that not lying?
Regardless of whether or not certain rewards are given, bonus, as shown clearly by the definition, suggests a benefit or something extra being received.
Further: If they did not intend any reward why not leave them as surplus. Why change what they are called to bonus? The fact they changed what they were called suggests that they implied there was a benefit to them. -
07-14-2011, 08:35 PMEekikiSo it isn't a theory, it's more like a theory. What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
Seriously, read a dictionary.
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the·o·ry
noun \ˈthē-ə-rē, ˈthir-ē\
abstract thought : speculation
a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
an unproved assumption : conjecture
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07-14-2011, 08:41 PMKirohMaybe I worded that badly. You didn't post a theory because you never explained why you thought what you did. Unproven and completely void of explanation are two very different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
A theory would be something like : "I think Surplus points never existed in the first place because xxxx"
Just as your own definition said "For the sake of argument or investigation". I see neither in your post. -
07-14-2011, 08:44 PMRinsuiWell, as I said, you did get your extra special yellow EXP indicator. And who knows? Perhaps it was just a typo, and they actually meant bogus EXP in the first place, hahahahahaha!!!! ;):cool::D:):rolleyes:Quote:
Bonus points were essentially the exact opposite of a bonus. Anytime you saw "you have earned x bonus points" you really lost x SP and gained nothing.
How is that not lying?
Regardless of whether or not certain rewards are given, bonus, as shown clearly by the definition, suggests a benefit or something extra being received.
@Kiroh
Actually, now. He/she can well have a theory without telling you the exact backgrounds of why he/she has it. It would be polite or informative to do so, but is not really required. You could also say: "In the middle ages, there was a theory that the world was slapped together within 7 days by some supernatural being". Why someone would believe such things does not necessarily have to be mentioned... -
07-14-2011, 08:45 PMKiroh*rubs forehead*Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinsui
Oh honey....you tire me...