Atmas and myth books should be tradable

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Selling primal, selling coil, selling books...
so all you need to the game is to pay other people to do it?
great that RMT exist so you can buy gil, right?

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First off, I didn't suggest the selling of prima and coil runs. Don't put words in my mouth just so you can be condescending. Second, I have never bought gil, nor will I ever. But by all means keep making assumptions about me if it'll make you feel better.

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Originally Posted by dragorian

i have to say noway nohow rmt would have a blast and players would mark it up so high others would be at a disadvantage who other wize cant afford 23 million and forces some to utilize rmt to get gill to get relic upgrade and to trade atma no thank you i love to work hard to get it when i get mine its like dang about time

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I said, you don't HAVE to buy the atmas. You would still have the option of farming them yourself. The main point here is options. And you talk about disadvantages, but how is it fair that you get rewarded because you have more time to waste than other players. Plus, this is a game. You shouldn't have to "work hard" at it.

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Originally Posted by XNihili

I guess making money in this game could be considered a skill.
Dunno about buying gil though. Maybe being able to decipher the gillseller advertisement and buying without getting his account hacked a few day later could be considered a skill too.
After the introduction I was expecting some extreme change suggestions like having to defeat Titan Extreme in swimsuit while paralyzed, not this.

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How much "skill" is in making money is definitely subjective. What isn't subject and practically a fact is that making money takes MORE skill than fate or myth farming. You have to put more thought into crafting than you do a fate, and you have to know what stuff to sell. And what is wrong with this community. You guys are so vile to think that everyone cheats.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

Hands down, this is one of the worst ideas I've heard in a long time. They finally created content that can't be sold (unless the buyer is a complete idiot) by players to other players to progress their characters, and you want the pieces to be trade-able? No. Go out and farm them and stop wishing that other people can do your work for you.

I'm not trying to be rude to you personally, but honestly this is a terrible idea and the thought of it makes me cringe in disgust.

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You say it's hands down a terrible idea, but you state absolutely no facts to support that. Your opinion is not an argument. Yeah content like primals shouldn't be sold. But why shouldn't stuff that comes from stupid grind.

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Originally Posted by NoRyoKu

Then if you don't want to grind atma, you are going to grind money to buy atmas, what is the difference. Atma wouln't be cheap anyway so you are not solving the problem, you are changing a 1$ for 4 quarters

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It is NOT the same thing. Based on what I've seen, and based on my assumption of the cost of Atmas, I am pretty sure I could get my atmas faster buying them than grinding them. Second, its about having the option to choose between grinding fates or buying them. I would actually enjoy playing the market and making money. nobody enjoys mindless grind. What a terrible idea to progress in this game while doing something you enjoy.

I wish SE would give an alternative to at least let us trade myth/ sol for atma pieces.
I rather work hard and get the said amount of myth or sol to just trade it for 1 piece.
Cuz you know lol at least we are assured to get our atmas.
Ppl can be farming their whole life and still not get all 12 pieces.
Also no, we should not be obligated to suffer like others who have gotten lucky on their atmas.
Just don't involve anymore future quests with super killer rng lol
Weaker than coil weps worse than coil rng (atm ).

Even if you don't cheat, this "solution" will incite some people who don't like to grind atma or money to cheat. Even skilled player.
The only skill in crafting is to find a market and everybody and their mother crafter are skilled enough to find it to flood it to death.
You should have suggested a whole overhaul of the system if you valued skill so much.

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Originally Posted by dragorian

i have to say noway nohow rmt would have a blast and players would mark it up so high others would be at a disadvantage who other wize cant afford 23 million and forces some to utilize rmt to get gill to get relic upgrade and to trade atma no thank you i love to work hard to get it when i get mine its like dang about time

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A) What disadvantage? If you can't afford it, then go farm them. If you can afford it and don't want to buy it, go farm them.
B) No one is forcing you to buy them. You could still farm them like you do now. It wouldn't force anyone to buy from RMT.
C) Just because you worked for your atma (got lucky) everyone should have to? I have farmed for working on 30 hours now, (28 I think) and I have ZERO atmas.
D) PUNCTUATION.

Basically, I support this idea 101%. :D

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

You say it's hands down a terrible idea, but you state absolutely no facts to support that. Your opinion is not an argument. Yeah content like primals shouldn't be sold. But why shouldn't stuff that comes from stupid grind.

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Yeah, I don't require facts to state my opinion, which you clearly acknowledged it for what it was. There is no need for you to get butt hurt because plenty of people disagree with your point of view. I simply stated that I thought it was a terrible idea. I don't owe you any type of facts, or reconciliation for how I feel. It's my opinion, if you don't like it you don't have to respond to it. If you aren't ready to hear other's opinions on subjects, don't post threads in the forum!

What MMO have you ever played where you didn't need to grind? In your response to dragorian, you profess that "You shouldn't have to 'work hard' at it". What the hell is hard about spamming easy FATEs? Don't confuse 'spending time' with difficulty.

Oh, and just to refute one other thing you said, I enjoyed getting my atma's. It was nice being able to group with people in the open world again, and you know, have conversations and stuff. Just so you can't say NOBODY enjoyed it.

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Lol, just no.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

First off, I didn't suggest the selling of prima and coil runs. Don't put words in my mouth just so you can be condescending. Second, I have never bought gil, nor will I ever. But by all means keep making assumptions about me if it'll make you feel better.

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You missed their opinion completely, which is why you are taking it personal.

I disagree with your opinion completely.

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Originally Posted by OrganizationXIll

It wouldn't force anyone to buy from RMT.

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The suggestion promotes the lazy and need it now (illegitimate PTW) players to continually buy gil.

lol this is as bad as crafters asking for BIS to be craftable....

I done the atma grind and I wouldn't have sold any of them for any amount of gil. it took me 30 hours to get my 12 atmas, it was terrible. Just how much gil would u estimate 12 atmas to be? Considering people selling extreme modes make, what, 100k in 10 mins or so, and these are the people who could afford it legitly ( and some crafters ), u gonna pay 1m each for your atmas? Coz 1m is nothing to some people and that is what the price would probably be.

I avoided talking about rmt because it has already been discussed, but it would be rainbows and sun for rmt sellers....

Just suck it up and grind like the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

RMTs would be very happy to hear this

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Seriously, they would be in heaven. You wouldn't be able to get within an inch of a fate before it was finished, with teleporting RMT fate bots. And since you can carry more than one of each, they could go at it for days before having to come back and check on it. Then the only way to get atma would become paying a RMT for it off the market board. They would rule the market because no one else could get to any fates. Then some people would start buying gil to spend on the atmas. And then they would raise the prices of the atma because their stocks of gil are going down. And so on and so forth. Eventually it would progress to the point that RMTs rule all fates, and the atma costs so much to buy from them that the only way to obtain them would be to buy gil. Like I said. RMT heaven. Give them something everyone wants that they can bot, and better yet, lock everyone else out of, and they will bot the everliving hell out of it.

Bad idea. Seriously, baaaaaaaaad idea. I prefer it the way it is to anything that involves RMT.

This is an awful idea. Stop being lazy or greedy because that's what this all comes down to, right?
You're to lazy to farm for it, so you want to buy it. Or you just want to sell to the lazy players and get rich.

Lazy players = dozen of more people that others will have to carry.
I'm sorry if this sounds elitist and I'm not because I'm always patient with people. I don't mind teaching but there is no teaching the lazy. I can see it now. "I have my Animus, so I'm better then you. Don't tell me what to do!"
I sometimes wonder why people play games at all if they don't want to play the game. Once you buy your way to endgame, what is there to do?