wtf?????????????

they are bad for requiring you to dps.
But you are bad for not wanting to dps.
solved.

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Originally Posted by UlricCraft

As a WHM, I can confirm DPS is usually required and not impossible for certain phases. (Patch 2.1!)

Phase 1: Holy x 5
- SCH solo heals
Phase 2: No dps
Phase 3: Mana recovery & Stoneskining!
Phase 4: Holy x 3
Phase 5: SCH can apply DoT's
- WHM usually recovers MP
Phase 6: HEAL MODE! (We have 2 Dreads and WHM heals MT)

If they kicked you for not DPS'n though... Poor damage dealers are poor.

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It is downright silly to cast even one holy in t4, unless you enjoy seeing MISS appear all over your screen.

There is no reason for any healer, whm or sch, to dps in t4, especially with the echo buff now (previously you just needed a decently geared group).

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

It is downright silly to cast even one holy in t4, unless you enjoy seeing MISS appear all over your screen.

There is no reason for any healer, whm or sch, to dps in t4, especially with the echo buff now (previously you just needed a decently geared group).

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Whm can throw a holy on spiders pre-echo as a safety, but realistically anything besides that a sch, a 360ish acc will not hit anyway, except spiders(which seems like low acc requirement)

As a sch, even free to dps, I get maybe a whopping 45dps on T4 (maybe shadowflare counts maybe it doesn't) But definitely a sch dps is even worse then a whm dpsing.

a healer acc is not meant for coil.

I think in terms of parsing out healer damage....they are both below 2% on T4 runs. Not significant at all.

I tried holying the spiders once and missed every time, even with multiple holy casts. I was geared out in mostly myth and some allagans at the time. This was pre 2.2 and no healer piece had added accuracy on it anyway.

If any groups had their healers dpsing pre 2.2, then they were just wasting mana and their dps must have been especially bad to rely on the added 10-50 dps a healer could provide.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Whm can throw a holy on spiders pre-echo as a safety, but realistically anything besides that a sch, a 360ish acc will not hit anyway, except spiders(which seems like low acc requirement)

As a sch, even free to dps, I get maybe a whopping 45dps on T4 (maybe shadowflare counts maybe it doesn't) But definitely a sch dps is even worse then a whm dpsing.

a healer acc is not meant for coil.

I think in terms of parsing out healer damage....they are both below 2% on T4 runs. Not significant at all.

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Respectfully disagree about accuracy. I count the amount of times I've seen Energy Drain miss dreadnaught on a single hand in the 15+ T4 runs I've participated in and it's rare to see Miasma miss, and Holy stops things dead in their tracks in P1 and P4. I can consistently land Stone II on soldiers in P2 once half the adds are dead and fairly regularly on the Dreadnaught. However, I notice a significant miss rate against the nodes in T2. I think T4 has a lower accuracy requirement compared to the other Turns due to the fact it's a "Kill all trash as fast as possible" turn.

But like you said, if the DPS can't kill T4 even with the increased 10% damage, yeah, something is horribly wrong with your DPS.

Turn 4 is a bit of a dps race, true, but it's not one to which the group should require the healer to contribute, especially now that so many are in full i90 or better and with a 10% echo buff.

There's fights where the healer dpsing for specific moments can really help the team by pushing a phase or helping to meet some really high dps requirements. If turn 4 is one of them, you need to find better dps or get better gear or both.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

Respectfully disagree about accuracy. I count the amount of times I've seen Energy Drain miss dreadnaught on a single hand in the 15+ T4 runs I've participated in and it's rare to see Miasma miss, and Holy stops things dead in their tracks in P1 and P4.

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All WHM I've ran with, and even running on my own WHM, report misses on every attack. On every turn... It may be that 341 accuracy give you like 5% (or something ridiculously low) chance to hit.. 435 accuracy is obviously for 100% hit chance.. But I suppose you could occasionally hit something with the minimum.

/shrug

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

All WHM I've ran with, and even running on my own WHM, report misses on every attack. On every turn... It may be that 341 accuracy give you like 5% (or something ridiculously low) chance to hit.. 435 accuracy is obviously for 100% hit chance.. But I suppose you could occasionally hit something with the minimum.

/shrug

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5% is waaaaay too low. I'd guesstimate the real chance of hitting to be about 75% with 341 on T4, though I've no solid evidence to support that number.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

All WHM I've ran with, and even running on my own WHM, report misses on every attack. On every turn...

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What? Every attack on every turn? I do know I miss a lot in Coil as WHM but I for example have been keeping Aero DoTs on Twintania in last two phases. I don't use a parser so don't know my ACC % but it's been something like 340-350 I guess.

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Originally Posted by Menae

5% is waaaaay too low. I'd guesstimate the real chance of hitting to be about 75% with 341 on T4, though I've no solid evidence to support that number.

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Around 75% would be my guess too. Not good enough for a tank or actual DD but very much doable for WHM and SCH.

Dps is too low it's obviously the healer's fault. Lololol

But seriously, dots miss. Bane them and a bunch will miss. When I heal this as scholar I try to keep a shadow flare down on dreads and spiders throughout. I can't imagine this being a significant dps boost though. With the echo buff things melt so fast I don't need to dps at any point.