Nerf sleep or buff Purify, pick one.

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Originally Posted by Sentry

Wrong, and it doesn't take long before you can get slept for 30 seconds again.

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He's actually right, what makes you believe sleep works differently from pve? First sleep full duration, second sleep, half duration, third sleep full resist, just like in pve. Heals also remove sleep, so don't potion. Seems to me if you want to pvp with more utility you use your class and not your job.

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

I say take enhanced purify cd down to 90 seconds max.

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While I wouldn't complain if Purify was a bit shorter (it would be nice), it isn't meant to remove every CC thrown at you. If they make it too short it will render most debuffs entirely useless.

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The impact is minimal, very minimal. It can also take a very long time to get for some.

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The impact is substantial, not minimal.
You cant just meld one materia and become magically immune, you need more than that. But if you stack it, it makes a difference. As for the time it takes, it's already been established that they are lowering the cost when they do the PvP balance update.

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If there were only 1 cc to deal with fine. But 150 seconds is simply too long for everything thrown at you.

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That's why you wait until the most advantageous moment to use it. You can remove many effects with it, not necessarily just one. As I said before, Purify is there to help you out of a tight spot, not to counter every effect that gets thrown on you. I wouldn't mind the cooldowns being shortened a bit 90/150sec. But they do need to be careful not to make it too short.

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So sleep isn’t op, but make sure to merc the blm? Got it.

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What is this I don't even? Merc the blm? what the hell do you mean by that? I'm sure your response was sarcastic, but your response makes no sense. Yes- BLM should be a priority target. MOST groups will target the caster DPS first. They're both the squishiest and usually the biggest threat.

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So sleep is not op, but meld every open slot you have with sleep resist? Got it. That’s OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive btw.

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As previously stated, they are lowering the cost of the resistance materia. Even at the current prices though, you could fill every regular slot on your lvl70 gear set with pvp materia and still have enough wolf marks to buy some lv90 stuff before reaching rank 30. I already know people who've done it. There are 11 materia slots (iirc) on the gear. That by itself provides a significant reduction in the duration of your debuff of choice. If you were to overmeld from what i've been hearing you can become highly resistant to the effect (like at half or greater reduction)

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The internal cooldown of diminishing returns is 1 minute and it's refreshed every time you apply the same effect successfully. Fully resisted spells do not refresh the timer. Since the final sleep before immunity lasts 7 seconds it means that you have 53 seconds of full resist before you can be slept for another 30-15-7 seconds.

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Yeah, and in my experience most battles are over before another 30sec sleep can happen again.

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Originally Posted by Spyrit

He's actually right, what makes you believe sleep works differently from pve? First sleep full duration, second sleep, half duration, third sleep full resist, just like in pve. Heals also remove sleep, so don't potion. Seems to me if you want to pvp with more utility you use your class and not your job.

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Here's how it works, first sleep goes for 30 sec, second one 15 sec, third one 7 secs, then after that you are immune for a little bit, somewhere around 1 min maybe? After that you can get slept for 30 sec and the chain restarts all over again, so yes you can get sleep multiple times for 30 secs in a single battle.

The internal cooldown of diminishing returns is 1 minute and it's refreshed every time you apply the same effect successfully. Fully resisted spells do not refresh the timer. Since the final sleep before immunity lasts 7 seconds it means that you have 53 seconds of full resist before you can be slept for another 30-15-7 seconds.

No CD on sleep skills is very unballanced ! A 30s CD on it will be a great decision for both pvp and pve

If sleep is nerfed remove the ability to interupt casts by doing damage. Can't have your cake and eat it to. I have never had a full resist happen at the 4th sleep cast on the same person, full resist on the third cast ALWAYS. Never did a forth one it was pointless. As many ways as there are to break sleep, sleep is fine. A Potion or heal and purity is enough to make sleep worthless.

You are missing something Spyrit, Black mage isn't a sleep bot !

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Originally Posted by Edenlys

You are missing something Spyrit, Black mage isn't a sleep bot !

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No instead I play ring around the rosie to avoid the dogpile on the blm bit. I'm bait. Because outside of a few cds I can't cast. WE are not supposed to sleep, we are not supposed to run, we are not supposed to cast while taking damage please tell me exactly what we are supposed to do?

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Originally Posted by Spyrit

No instead I play ring around the rosie to avoid the dogpile on the blm bit. I'm bait. Because outside of a few cds I can't cast. WE are not supposed to sleep, we are not supposed to run, we are not supposed to cast while taking damage please tell me exactly what we are supposed to do?

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Use surecast and equanmity (make sure to upgrade the duration on it)

Also you don't seem to realize that despite all these things you're not supposed to do, if you are being targeted, you kind of have to do those things- even if you didn't get interrupted on attack. You can play your target priority to your team's advantage. It might not be as "fun" as standing still trying to nuke people into oblivion but you will win more games by taking advantage of your situation.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Use surecast and equanmity.

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Sure. But then, right as Im about to finish my cast, I get silenced, and now I lose surecast. So I use equanimity, and right as Im about to get my fire3 off, I get stunned by the PLD or MRD/WAR. Im already down 8/20 seconds of equanimity, I dont even have astral up, and the tank has two more stuns (or holmgang, in MRD/WAR scenario) before DR comes up. What do you think the chances of me finishing one cast during all this is? Id say its pretty low.