Provoke - Is it necessary?

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Originally Posted by Zoomie

I can't think of another class that HAS to bring a cross class skill to function. Many are nice (swift cast, etc) but WAR might be the only that is basically required to bring one.

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I'd say swiftcast would be pretty mandatory for SMN/SCH/WHM. Can't find a reason why not to swiftcast fester gaols on Titan EX, or swiftcast raise during encounters with bosses or.. Should I really go on? xD

Provoke is pretty useful, and I agree that Warriors should have it as a primary skill, not as a cross skill. It's confusing that basic skills for roles are missing from jobs. FFXIV is balanced for cross skills, but if players don't know that, they won't realize that they're missing important skills.

Some skills should be available based on the role (dps, tank, heal) while other skills vary based on the class and job. For example, all dps and healers should have threat dump skills, tanks should have interrupt and taunt, and healers should have a big emergency heal on a cooldown. All dps should also be able to choose between a single target and an aoe LB, instead of only having one type of LB depending on the class. Etc.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

I'd say swiftcast would be pretty mandatory for SMN/SCH/WHM. Can't find a reason why not to swiftcast fester gaols on Titan EX, or swiftcast raise during encounters with bosses or.. Should I really go on? xD

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Pretty mandatory and "bring this or you cannot function as a tank" are different.

Glad to know Provoke is actually worth something later on. So far it has been a worthless skill on both my Glad and War because it is pathetic. On the few times I use it and follow up with a throw or Halone I still don't actually get the aggro because god forbid the players have a dot on the mob. I would have liked to see provoke work more like other games so that for a couple of seconds the aggro is locked on you regardless.
The fact its only real purpose seems to be for tank swap kind of suggests the skill needs a bit of work

Since GLA 15 is required to unlock the job, all Warriors have acces to Provoke natively. It's not like Swifcast for White Mages.
If you choose not to equip it...well, your call

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Since GLA 15 is required to unlock the job, all Warriors have acces to Provoke natively. It's not like Swifcast for White Mages.
If you choose not to equip it...well, your call

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Provoke is level 22.

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Originally Posted by Bixby

Provoke is level 22.

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My bad.

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Originally Posted by Asteldian

Glad to know Provoke is actually worth something later on. So far it has been a worthless skill on both my Glad and War because it is pathetic. On the few times I use it and follow up with a throw or Halone I still don't actually get the aggro because god forbid the players have a dot on the mob. I would have liked to see provoke work more like other games so that for a couple of seconds the aggro is locked on you regardless.
The fact its only real purpose seems to be for tank swap kind of suggests the skill needs a bit of work

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That would be too easy. Now you have to have some synergy with the group. When you provoke, it puts you +1, so either have BB/RoH pre-charged, or have dps or other tank stop for one attack. Can't go wrong there.

If provoke was just a button press and nothing more to it, then it would be a worthless skill.. There has to be some in-depth.

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Originally Posted by Remn

You do NOT tank swap on Garuda Xm. Main Tank will alway tank Garuda and Ot will alway on sister, Garuda and her sister do not put any debuff on tank. (only Spiny does) However, If OT take Suprana and the DPS kill her too slow then Suprana will swap place with garuda.

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You may not tank swap garuda, but you swap the plumes, and it seems to me like the only way to get hate on these plumes is voke, since i once hit a plume with a full BB combo and my hate bar didnt move at all.

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Originally Posted by Nalou

Provoke is actually great for pulling because it have a long range, so you can pull something without aggroing something else.
You don't pull with provoke for aggro, just for range ;)

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