Provoke - Is it necessary?

[Mandis]

I'm a 50 WAR/17 GLA. I've been tanking since August without using Provoke. I've tanked every dungeon up until 2.1 except Aurum Vale, without Provoke. From 2.1, I've tanked Pharos Sirius and maintanked Crystal Tower, without Provoke. Now, however, I'm being told that for the hard mode dungeons and for extreme mode primals and, especially, for Binding Coil, I MUST have Provoke.

My question, then, is why is Provoke so necessary? And, if it's that necessary, why is it only GLA/PLD that receives it through straight levelling? In the past, when there's been a discrepency between the classes (Hallowed Ground being used to avoid mechanics, 20% damage reduction VS 15% heal bonus), Warriors have received a buff to more or less equate the two classes (Holmgang will not drop below 1HP, heal bonus up to 20%). Therefore, if Provoke is absolutely necessary for tanking, why does the WAR not receive a similar move?

[CyanDvai]

Provoke is good for Boss swapping which you need to do in some instances.
It's a great tool anyways to have for emergencies.

In Garuda EX you swap the boss between you and the other tank to avoid getting 5 stacks of a debuff.

Provoke makes it easier to swap since it puts you at the top of the enmity list.

[Remn]

Provoke is good for Boss swapping which you need to do in some instances.
It's a great tool anyways to have for emergencies.

In Garuda EX you swap the boss between you and the other tank to avoid getting 5 stacks of a debuff.

Provoke makes it easier to swap since it puts you at the top of the enmity list.

Are you talking about Ultima HM? Garuda Xm does NOT apply any debuff on tank. (aside from spiny plume)
Once you start doing the Xm Primal, Ultima HM, or Coil (T2, normal way) Provoke play really improtant part in tank swaping

[Crimess]

Are you talking about Ultima HM?

No, He is talking about Garuda EX, Titan EX, Ifrit EX, Coil T1, T4, T5 but yeah count HM Ultima there too.

[Remn]

No, He is talking about Garuda EX, Titan EX, Ifrit EX, Coil T1, T4, T5 but yeah count HM Ultima there too.

You do NOT tank swap on Garuda Xm. Main Tank will alway tank Garuda and Ot will alway on sister, Garuda and her sister do not put any debuff on tank. (only Spiny does) However, If OT take Suprana and the DPS kill her too slow then Suprana will swap place with garuda.

[Hanabira]

You do NOT tank swap on Garuda Xm. Main Tank will alway tank Garuda and Ot will alway on sister, Garuda and her sister do not put any debuff on tank. (only Spiny does) However, If OT take Suprana and the DPS kill her too slow then Suprana will swap place with garuda.

You may not tank swap garuda, but you swap the plumes, and it seems to me like the only way to get hate on these plumes is voke, since i once hit a plume with a full BB combo and my hate bar didnt move at all.

[Zoomie]

Provoke is necessary due to their being several encounters that require two tanks to trade aggro. Its possible to do this without provoke but EXTREMELY difficult and would require incredibly synergy between you and the other tank as well as less than optimal threat gen creating another hazard for your dps.

Why don't warrior have provoke? I've asked myself that question many times. It feels like an oversight by SE to me. I don't think a class should have to cross class a skill to perform its basic role. I can't think of another class that HAS to bring a cross class skill to function. Many are nice (swift cast, etc) but WAR might be the only that is basically required to bring one.

[abzoluut]

I can't think of another class that HAS to bring a cross class skill to function. Many are nice (swift cast, etc) but WAR might be the only that is basically required to bring one.

I'd say swiftcast would be pretty mandatory for SMN/SCH/WHM. Can't find a reason why not to swiftcast fester gaols on Titan EX, or swiftcast raise during encounters with bosses or.. Should I really go on? xD

[Zoomie]

I'd say swiftcast would be pretty mandatory for SMN/SCH/WHM. Can't find a reason why not to swiftcast fester gaols on Titan EX, or swiftcast raise during encounters with bosses or.. Should I really go on? xD

Pretty mandatory and "bring this or you cannot function as a tank" are different.

[whiskeybravo]

There's really no reason not to get provoke. I went for a long time without it, as it's not necessary for anything really until Ultima HM (maybe Garuda HM for OT add). I wish I would have gotten it sooner, in all honestly, but I was so content with war that I didn't want to go back to gladiator (and I didn't really know what exactly Provoke did). The reality is you are already at lv17, and with the new xp bonuses it will take about 3 dungeon runs to get to lv22. So just do it, you will need it for the long haul.

Why don't warrior have provoke?

I can only think of when they said that CC skills will not be required to complete the story mode content, but that they will be required for end game content.