Even SE staff hates Warriors...

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10-17-2013, 05:50 AM
Amyas

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Originally Posted by Slatervonjager

Both PLD and WAR have their differences, Strengths, Weaknesses, and its not the classes fault if you don't know what they are, it's your fault. There is more then enough information out there to educate people on both, and those that complain, didn't do their research.

This, this, a thousand times this.

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Originally Posted by CurlyBruce

Orly? So a level 2 Limit Break is somehow going to magically go through a move that makes you literally Invincible for 10 seconds? Please, tell me more.

I can pretty much guarentee they remove that skill or change it for pvp. Devs have already said skills and traits and gear will change for pvp, so your argument makes 0 sense. That and I'm pretty sure there are boss moves that can still kill a pld with hallowed ground up, so... yeah.
10-17-2013, 05:52 AM
Sub-Xero

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Those aren't really 'problems' though. You have to heal it too much? That sounds like a healer's problem to me :T
The only real 'problem' is the fact that pld has too much damage mitigation compared to their brother tank. War != Pld , don't try to play them like one.

I think that SCH and WAR are supposed to be the peanut butter and jelly of this game. I could be totally mistaken but considering the SCH quests are from a MRD/WAR and during the quest line it talks about how SCH and MRD/WAR are a potent combo... Maybe SE thinks WAR's are dependent upon SCH's but of course if SCH + WAR = Good then SCH + PLD = Better. I fully expect WAR will get some sort of buff in the near future.
10-17-2013, 06:00 AM
CurlyBruce

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Originally Posted by Amyas

I can pretty much guarentee they remove that skill or change it for pvp. Devs have already said skills and traits and gear will change for pvp, so your argument makes 0 sense. That and I'm pretty sure there are boss moves that can still kill a pld with hallowed ground up, so... yeah.

They didn't say they were changing skills for PVP, they said they were adding skills that would remove Stun/Silence/etc. and make you temporarily immune. Read the description on the video.
10-17-2013, 06:03 AM
Nukocafe

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Originally Posted by Sub-Xero

I think that SCH and WAR are supposed to be the peanut butter and jelly of this game. I could be totally mistaken but considering the SCH quests are from a MRD/WAR and during the quest line it talks about how SCH and MRD/WAR are a potent combo... Maybe SE thinks WAR's are dependent upon SCH's but of course if SCH + WAR = Good then SCH + PLD = Better. I fully expect WAR will get some sort of buff in the near future.

With all the heals that Warriors need, I can't even imagine what White Mages have to go through MP wise to keep a warrior up. Thank god as a scholar we have Aether Flow!!
10-17-2013, 06:05 AM
Ceol

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Originally Posted by CurlyBruce

Shield Oath, Rampart, Sentinel, Hallowed Ground. Take your pick, or combine all of the above.

Err, please do not combine Sentinel and Rampart with Hallowed Ground.
10-17-2013, 06:05 AM
Hachiko

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Originally Posted by Amyas

I can pretty much guarentee they remove that skill or change it for pvp. Devs have already said skills and traits and gear will change for pvp, so your argument makes 0 sense. That and I'm pretty sure there are boss moves that can still kill a pld with hallowed ground up, so... yeah.

Damage can not kill a PLD through hallowed ground. Only instant kills / knockbacks (fall damage) can. Limit break is neither of those. And there is no way SE is taking away the difinitive level 50 job skill from Paladins for PvP.

Even if they did, PLD would still have Sentinel and rampart available to avoid death from the level 2 limit break.
10-17-2013, 06:07 AM
Amyas

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Originally Posted by CurlyBruce

They didn't say they were changing skills for PVP, they said they were adding skills that would remove Stun/Silence/etc. and make you temporarily immune. Read the description on the video.

Still doesn't explain why you think Hallowed Ground would make you invincible to a LB when it doesn't make you invincible to many bosses special attacks :T
10-17-2013, 06:08 AM
Slatervonjager

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Originally Posted by CurlyBruce

Orly? So a level 2 Limit Break is somehow going to magically go through a move that makes you literally Invincible for 10 seconds? Please, tell me more

Yeah, you killed with this. You need to look up the word Mitigation. Preventing damage, is not mitigating the damage. Also, you're assuming that every DD is dumb enough to not ignore an invincibility skill.

Also, PLDs dont' easily get to 5k HP, WARs easily get to 5k and beyond. Not saying PLD doesn't get to 5k, cause they do, but it's not an easy feat for them to get it right now, especially when you compare it WAR.
10-17-2013, 06:09 AM
Estellios

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

With all the heals that Warriors need, I can't even imagine what White Mages have to go through MP wise to keep a warrior up. Thank god as a scholar we have Aether Flow!!

It's not bad, Infuriate increases incoming heal potency.

I've never had any issues with WAR tanks that were properly geared.
10-17-2013, 06:11 AM
Ceol

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Originally Posted by CurlyBruce

Even if the reduction was multiplicative instead of additive that's 62%~ reduction in damage so less than 5k which PLDs can easily get in HP.

That logic works if you assume no one is hitting the tank at any other point in the fight. There's no way he's going to be at full HP. Not to mention, all you have to do is start using the LB and then interrupt it to force the PLD to waste Hallowed Ground or any of his other buffs.

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