Why Was the Official Statement Ignored?

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

Have you ever play Last of US? *blah blah blah*

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Btw..... thats a stupid anology. Lets say for one you were right? Gil was taken by legitimate folks but where are the RMT?! OH THEY ARE STILL THERE... hello! Think please! Thank you!

Dear people who got effected. You are not special snowflakes. You like the rest of us clicked Accept to the TOS. As most of you know from the other threads where the relevant part was posted more than once. You have no rights. You have nothing to complain about. You either accept it or you don't.

You Accepted it but now it has effected you, you now want to change your minds about it.
It doesn't matter how many threads you open, the TOS will not change. I know you spent time making said gil but that was called having fun playing a game you liked not paid work.

While i understand how it must be upsetting to a degree to lose a large quantity of pretend money and i do sympathize to a degree but that is all you will get.

Now i am not saying don't try and speak to SE, doing it here will not help you. You need to contact someone else.

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Therefore, 0% or at most a handful players per server are unhappy and the forums are at war against SquareEnix and for losing a virtual currency which has absolutely no real value and was brought to these very few players because of cheats and exploits... Seriously? I mean: is that for real?

All of the few affected players were left with all the tools they need to rebuild their fortune (they kept their characters, their levels and their items).

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I say we roll back your character progress completely for the lulz, after all you are just one player, which obviously doesn't matter, and you are still left eith everything you need to regain that which you lost!

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Originally Posted by LloydShade

Please do not confusion frustration and overreaction. Suspended players have all rights to be angered. Yet, the angered players are part of a very slim minority and the overwhelming majority of the players has been left intact even though SquareEnix missed people directly involved in RMT activities because of it. Hence the overreaction. That means SquareEnix managed to care enough in their customers to make sure most of them would be fine. Whatever they would have done, collateral damage was inevitable. Does SquareEnix deserve so much negativity because of a really restricted amount of individuals?

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Regardless of how many angry players claim to have lost 99% of their gils, it still comes from an unreliable source and thus, can't be taken for granted. Otherwise, your argument becomes inconsistent. You are changing the subject and making personal attack against me.

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So a man walks in to a room and slaughters 100 puppies, but he does not purge the entire world of puppies so therefore he must actually love puppies! Are people really this far up SE's @$$ with their noses?

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Originally Posted by ArcheustheWise

Btw..... thats a stupid anology. Lets say for one you were right? Gil was taken by legitimate folks but where are the RMT?! OH THEY ARE STILL THERE... hello! Think please! Thank you!

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Legimate or not, only God knows.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

The issue isn't how many people it affected, it's how the situation was handled. If 568 out of a million accounts were flagged, I think they should have done further research on those accounts to see exactly why they had as much gil as they did. It's their damn job after all. Instead, they took the easy way out and did a blanket ban and divided their gil by 100, which left most people with less than what they earned just going through the main storyline.

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It doesn't matter. This wasn't done for them. It was done for the game.


For example, Yoshi P was not saying how much the housing was going to be. WE didn't know why they were so reticent. but then THIS happens. They're not releasing hints on the pricing because so much of the gil in the game was stolen and being RMT'ed. They wanted to base the price on the economy but so much of the economy was illegitimate they couldn't even manage the housing prices until it was taken care of. When the RMT problem gets to the point where they can't even plan for the future in the game, then lambs may have to die.

The situation was bad. Desperate times calls for measures to deal with the situation. This HAD to be dealt with before housing market hit and things would spiral out of control.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

Legimate or not, only God knows.

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One does not cut off the ends of the problem one takes care of the route problem in general.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

Counterfiet currency is counterfeit. This is your memo: all gils invovled in RMT activites are counterfeit currency. In reality, any business receiving counterfeit currency is a loss they have to take.

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That's basically how I see it. It's not so much that the money taken away were "dirty", it's that they were "fake" money put into circulation by a faction engaged in (in a game sense) illegal money production. It doesn't matter how the money was generated, the rule of the land (SE's rules) dictates what is legit and what isn't.

In real life, businesses that unknowingly accepted counterfeit money had no real recourse and in most cases would simply have to write it off as a loss. Of course, even in the worst regions of the world, it's unlikely that the majority of the currency in circulation would be fake, and even if that was the case, no government would swoop in and confiscate and destroy 99% of cash taken from businesses chosen simply because they had over a certain level of assets and therefore arbitrarily deemed likely to have benefited from counterfeit money.

This kind of "solution" would be unthinkable in real life. The thing is, this isn't real life. SE is not a government, and players are not businesses. Yes, this is a case of the richest being punished simply for being rich and prominent, but consider the scale of the issue: 367.7 billion divided by ~50 servers = 7.35 billion per server, divided by about 5000 players on each server = 1.47 million gil per user. Considering your average player probably only has 1/10 of that, you could (roughly) argue that the vast majority of gil present in a server were generated by RMT. If this happened in real life, the economy would collapse in an instant. SE simply did what no government could do in real life in order to preserve an economy that could not be saved in any way in real life.

Ultimately, you can only blame SE and they can only sit there and take it. But as far as I can tell, this is a case of choosing the lesser evil so I'm pretty sure they expected flak no matter what they did. I wouldn't expect them to bend over backwards now for doing the only thing they could.

In the end no one really knows why square did what they did except square themselves. It seems to be a select few people that they took their millions away from because there are some people that say they were not affected and still have their millions (I am not talking about anyone legacy servers either) without any taken away. Without seeing the query that Square used no one will know why and what circumstances they were looking for. If the people that got their gil taken away did something wrong and got caught by square, only square and that person will know why. They are not going to freely admit to anything to anyone on a game forum. Right now it is all speculation of information that will likely never see the light of day. Regardless of why square felt they needed to strip billions of gil from the game, it was done and if they were going to make an apology to anyone it would have been done by now.

Where is the counterfeit currency in a level 50 player with 300k+ from quests, or a crafter with 300k+ from leves? Where is the counterfeit in the server-firsts who collected this legitimate currency from everyone else?