Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by LemmingKingXXX

it's so cute I'm feeling a little nauseous
I have a very weak tolerance for sweet flavors you know

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Why, it's a problem easily fixed!

*/punts both lalas over the horizon together*

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Q: Will it be possible to get married? Also, will same-sex marriages be possible?

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A: We previously released a screenshot of a sanctum in the woods.

So when the era came to an end, something happened that led to the sanctum being rediscovered. So what is this place for? Well, in creating a world, we wanted put anything in it that is close to reality. Marriage is one of those things. That’s why we built the sanctum--so that characters and players can get married. The system for weddings--proper services and such--might not be available right from the beginning. It’ll most likely be added in a patch. However, we’ve already prepared a place for it.

As for same-sex marriage, this is an extremely controversial topic that has been under discussion in the MMO world for the past few years.First we would like to start out with opposite-sex marriage, and then consider the feedback from our players in order to make a careful decision.I can’t say whether or not it will be possible at this point in time. I’d like to keep dialog open with our players as we deliberate the matter.

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So to reiterate the already known by those who actually read the first translation of this, Marriage is coming. Obviously Yoshida & Friends don't believe Marriage is "Pointless" in an mmo as some of you closed minded nay-sayers seem to want to believe.

If they plan on having a system that marries two people without 'GM sanctioning', There would be no reason to put in a opposite-sex only restriction on it. They also hopefully go by suggies to change the names of anything marriage related.

From what I have read about the newer translation is same sex marriage as of the moment of the letter in. They want to see what the players have to say about it though to avoid making a wrong decision.

I support same-sex marriage.
It is a wonderful expression of love and they have the right to do so if both party are consenting.
Your religion doesn't support/allow same-marriage? Not relevant unless you are a follower of The Twelve, in which case you will comply to what the Church in-game says anyway.
In my opinion, no one should ever prevent two consenting persons from doing what they want together.
(I can already hear some of you presenting stupid examples as counter arguments, just let me reply with this: as long as they both are consenting to it.)

I don't post on weekend's but it's now Monday!

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I can’t say whether or not it will be possible at this point in time. I’d like to keep dialog open with our players as we deliberate the matter.

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I have heard this before, not from Yoshi-P, and not relating to a MMO issue. It was in post secondary when i was learning human relations. Simply put SE will not close the case, but will neither move in one direction or another. Too much controversy surrounds this topic, as such from a business stand point it would be unwise for a company to take side.

Introducing opposite sex marriage in game, and keeping the same gender idea up in the air. Is best way to keep neutral.

In all honesty, I don't think this would be such a hot topic if they didn't use that magic word: 'marriage.' Were it a union by any other name, I'm confident there'd be a less vocal opposition for it. That said, I'm all for it. It seems silly to restrict the genders in a relationship when many players play as cross-gendered characters.

Furthermore, those who are against same-sex marriage IRL opposing it here are being silly. I know several heterosexual couples who play as the same gender in FFXIV. If same-sex relationships were not permitted in-game, they would not be able to wed despite being heterosexual. Even more contradictory, I know of a homosexual couple who are playing as a male and female character, so they WOULD be able to get wed. Does this mean you are actually promoting same-sex couples professing their love in-game? How utterly foolish to think that homosexual couples IRL are restricted to homosexual relationships in-game.

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Originally Posted by Reika

So to reiterate the already known by those who actually read the first translation of this, Marriage is coming. Obviously Yoshida & Friends don't believe Marriage is "Pointless" in an mmo as some of you closed minded nay-sayers seem to want to believe.

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Not to mention that the new, more in-depth translation states that desire for feedback. It was kind of up in the air before as a possible fan-translation thing. Now it's official lol.

One more vote for SSM in-game!
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Originally Posted by Arcell

Not to mention that the new, more in-depth translation states that desire for feedback. It was kind of up in the air before as a possible fan-translation thing. Now it's official lol.

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Officially asking for feedback does not mean that officially something will happen. I quite honestly do not believe SE will take a side, you guys are thinking about this locally, look at it globally and it's easy to see that. What SE picks will directly impact the product on a global scale.

In some countries games, which 13 year old's play in the US/Canada, are banned. And SE am sure don't want that on their hands, so while feedback will be collected, discussions will be done, and opinions appreciated. Don't hold your breath.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Officially asking for feedback does not mean that officially something will happen. I quite honestly do not believe SE will take a side, you guys are thinking about this locally, look at it globally and it's easy to see that. What SE picks will directly impact the product on a global scale.

In some countries games, which 13 year old's play in the US/Canada, are banned. And SE am sure don't want that on their hands, so while feedback will be collected, discussions will be done, and opinions appreciated. Don't hold your breath.

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Regional servers.. Allow it on a regional server basis lol.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Officially asking for feedback does not mean that officially something will happen. I quite honestly do not believe SE will take a side, you guys are thinking about this locally, look at it globally and it's easy to see that. What SE picks will directly impact the product on a global scale.

In some countries games, which 13 year old's play in the US/Canada, are banned. And SE am sure don't want that on their hands, so while feedback will be collected, discussions will be done, and opinions appreciated. Don't hold your breath.

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Name some examples. Cause I sure didn't see that bring such a problem for Skyrim, which also had a worldwide release, Japan included

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Regional servers.. Allow it on a regional server basis lol.

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Server's aren't regional locked, as well. Isn't that playing favorites? How fun would it be if we start dividing the community even further? NA get's this, JP get's that, EU get's something else... that would throw the entire balance (proven we have one) out the window.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Name some examples. Cause I sure didn't see that bring such a problem for Skyrim, which also had a worldwide release, Japan included

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Skyrim is Skyrim, Skyrim is not ARR. In Skyrim you the PC get married to a NPC of a gender of your choosing. In ARR you a PC can get married to a PC. Comparing apples to bananas here...

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Server's aren't regional locked, as well. Isn't that playing favorites? How fun would it be if we start dividing the community even further? NA get's this, JP get's that, EU get's something else... that would throw the entire balance (proven we have one) out the window.

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If you choose to play in someone elses region you deal with that region - like language. Content like this I said could be regionally allowed if countries cant handle a differed name system.

Like China cant handle undead and Japanese influenced pandas so Blizzard modified some global assets and local assets to that region.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

If you choose to play in someone elses region you deal with that region - like language. Content like this I said could be regionally allowed if countries cant handle a differed name system.

Like China cant handle undead and Japanese influenced pandas so Blizzard modified some global assets and local assets to that region.

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Region lock server's vs none region lock... You can never play on the china servers and they can never play on yours. SE is not locking the server's so you can play on china server's they can play on yours. Again meaning this is an topic which need's to be looked at as "the big picture" not what you see in the bottom right corner...

Blizzard only look at the corners individually that's why player's out of Blizzards back yard wait 1-2 years for content that's old in NA. Do you really want to wait 6 month's for "localizing" of content? Or would you rather have it which it's fresh out of the oven? One thing i have loved about XI is that when something new came out i got it same day as rest of the world not latter.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Skyrim is Skyrim, Skyrim is not ARR. In Skyrim you the PC get married to a NPC of a gender of your choosing. In ARR you a PC can get married to a PC. Comparing apples to bananas here...

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Not exactly. Skyrim has the act of marriage in game, regardless of gender. Ffxi also had marriage, but what it didn't do was check the real life gender of the characters, meaning same RL gender couples could still get the marriage ceremony if one cross played. Interactions with other players is not something that can be rated. So this is already happening with RL people. In fact, as was shown with several posts here, both officially married couples and opposite gender relationships might not be able to get the marriage ceremony because of their choice of character. Not their gender, not romance, just the character creation screen. Is that even remotely fair? Can SE say with a straight face that they and the player's interaction will always uphold the mores of "mystery banning nation X" and its suspected hordes of FF fans hoping that they assume everyone plays their gender?

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Officially asking for feedback does not mean that officially something will happen. I quite honestly do not believe SE will take a side, you guys are thinking about this locally, look at it globally and it's easy to see that. What SE picks will directly impact the product on a global scale.

In some countries games, which 13 year old's play in the US/Canada, are banned. And SE am sure don't want that on their hands, so while feedback will be collected, discussions will be done, and opinions appreciated. Don't hold your breath.

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A global solution would be to name the system something else and make it not explicitly romantic, as has been suggested many times. I don't think there's global issue with something like that.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Region lock server's vs none region lock... You can never play on the china servers and they can never play on yours. SE is not locking the server's so you can play on china server's they can play on yours. Again meaning this is an topic which need's to be looked at as "the big picture" not what you see in the bottom right corner...

Blizzard only look at the corners individually that's why player's out of Blizzards back yard wait 1-2 years for content that's old in NA. Do you really want to wait 6 month's for "localizing" of content? Or would you rather have it which it's fresh out of the oven? One thing i have loved about XI is that when something new came out i got it same day as rest of the world not latter.

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Perhaps the blizzard example isnt best correlate-able because blizzard delays / semi locks servers (how do you think chinese gil sellers get into NA servers ? :P)

However I still stand on the part where if you join a regional server you deal with that region. If you go to Thailand and say fuck the king - trololololololo.

While the borders of real life are harder to hop on and off of, they still exist the internet as well (they are just easier to hop online). The US isnt SSM (not legal in most states) lovers but we can stand the existence of video games. In this case as many have pointed out in game gender has very little to do with outside game gender and unlike these other games that have had same sex relations they often came with graphics which I doubt SE is even going to have any graphic material for their weddings. Otherwise I think a bigger issue in the US will be Galka x Taru for being graphically awkward :P.

All that said it would be preferred to have no server distinctions but the region itself.

Well another step in the solution direction is, to make the game check account info. Every one fills the account info with correct gender and what not information... That way even if you do play a Female character but are male IRL, getting married to another Female character which is in fact a Female in RL would not solve 1/2 the problem.

As well it can be a choice the game could use character information or account information which ever best gives the desired results. That would cover the base for opposite gender couples which don't play opposite characters in game. This way gender in game would not play much of a role if people so choose...

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Well another step in the solution direction is, to make the game check account info. Every one fills the account info with correct gender and what not information... That way even if you do play a Female character but are male IRL, getting married to another Female character which is in fact a Female in RL would not solve 1/2 the problem.

As well it can be a choice the game could use character information or account information which ever best gives the desired results. That would cover the base for opposite gender couples which don't play opposite characters in game. This way gender in game would not play much of a role if people so choose...

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That is just making sure that real life hetro's can be ritualized but real life homosexuals cannot.

Thats unacceptable..

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Well another step in the solution direction is, to make the game check account info. Every one fills the account info with correct gender and what not information... That way even if you do play a Female character but are male IRL, getting married to another Female character which is in fact a Female in RL would not solve 1/2 the problem.

As well it can be a choice the game could use character information or account information which ever best gives the desired results. That would cover the base for opposite gender couples which don't play opposite characters in game. This way gender in game would not play much of a role if people so choose...

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The only problem with that is people can lie. And it's still not really marriage equality, like you said it only solves part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Well another step in the solution direction is, to make the game check account info. Every one fills the account info with correct gender and what not information... That way even if you do play a Female character but are male IRL, getting married to another Female character which is in fact a Female in RL would not solve 1/2 the problem.

As well it can be a choice the game could use character information or account information which ever best gives the desired results. That would cover the base for opposite gender couples which don't play opposite characters in game. This way gender in game would not play much of a role if people so choose...

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Why? This isn't an official ceremony. Wouldn't you encourage players to lie? SE wouldn't gain very much out of this, especially since it didn't require this info for many years. Some might not even be comfortable disclosing this information.

You know what! I know my idea's are not perfect, as well i know some will disagree with them to some extent or another. However what I am aiming at is not one solution to solve all. But the best round about manner with which come 3 months time SE will not be faced with a crippling stone around it's neck do to one bad call.

As well the info your so shy to disclosing is in SE's archives as you gave it to them when you made your account.. A

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

You know what! I know my idea's are not perfect, as well i know some will disagree with them to some extent or another. However what I am aiming at is not one solution to solve all. But the best round about manner with which come 3 months time SE will not be faced with a crippling stone around it's neck do to one bad call.

As well the info your so shy to disclosing is in SE's archives as you gave it to them when you made your account.. A

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You know, i still haven't heard of the purported mmo haven of a country that would lock out SE and its gaming population over this...what you are proposing isn't a solution at all. I'm not sure where you think the problem is. Gaming journalists aren't the type to be up in arms over these decisions...

And also, if you are referring to credit card information, there are those who play without their own card, like minors.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

You know, i still haven't heard of the purported mmo haven of a country that would lock out SE and its gaming population over this...what you are proposing isn't a solution at all. I'm not sure where you think the problem is. Gaming journalists aren't the type to be up in arms over these decisions...

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I can't point a finger as to which country would make a stink over SS partnership, as i don't know the law in every scrap of land on the planet. But if the possibility exists to make a stink, some one will make it. Were the problem is, is that Yoshi-P is calling the performed act "an in game marriage", and as long as it's labeled as such it can never be SS. If it is, then that means that SE is taking a side which would negatively impact the company.

I don't care for either side: for or against SS, my worry is waiting longer then i have to for a game i want to play..

Edit: I doubt minors would care if they can get hitched in a game or not!

One persons cripling stone is another persons hi-five.....

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

I can't point a finger as to which country would make a stink over SS partnership, as i don't know the law in every scrap of land on the planet. But if the possibility exists to make a stink, some one will make it. Were the problem is, is that Yoshi-P is calling the performed act "an in game marriage", and as long as it's labeled as such it can never be SS. If it is, then that means that SE is taking a side which would negatively impact the company.

I don't care for either side: for or against SS, my worry is waiting longer then i have to for a game i want to play..

Edit: I doubt minors would care if they can get hitched in a game or not!

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So you say there would be a stink, but cannot say where or who, or even how it would delay the game...but someone would complain. Oh the horror!

Here's the thing. Everyone complains about something. The jump button, the grass, Why is this so special a case when you cannot point where the threat lies? How would this delay the game for you to the point that no mmo designer, ever must cross this line(and several already have)?

And seriously, this isn't official you know. Playdates happen.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

So you say there would be a stink, but cannot say where or who, or even how it would delay the game...but someone would complain. Oh the horror!

Here's the thing. Everyone complains about something. The jump button, the grass, Why is this so special a case when you cannot point where the threat lies? How would this delay the game for you to the point that no mmo designer, ever must cross this line(and several already have)?

And seriously, this isn't official you know. Playdates happen.

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Especially because, you know, it probably won't even be in at launch lol.

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The system for weddings--proper services and such--might not be available right from the beginning. It’ll most likely be added in a patch. However, we’ve already prepared a place for it.

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Something that is not included at launch cannot hold up the game's launch. Once the game has launched they can add it. And honestly if it's among a patch likely ripe with other content, those who oppose it likely won't notice. They're even less likely to notice if SE doesn't call any attention to the removal of the restriction, or if they don't call it marriage anymore.

The chance of some huge incident coming from the removal of the restriction is highly unlikely, especially from any source that actually pertains to the game itself.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Edit: I doubt minors would care if they can get hitched in a game or not!

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Survey says -- wrong!

Waaaay back when I used to play XI, in the early days I had several circles of friends who were around 14~17 (they were a tad younger than me at the time) and there were quite a few that married their in-game partners. There's also a couple of those who married in-game who kept the relationship going over these years and are also trying to marry irl now.


You're also not going to have to wait longer to play ARR, if the marriage system isn't ready for release they will put it in later (I'm pretty sure this is what's happening, though they have the venue covered). So your worries again are unnecessary.

People will complain whether they leave SSM out or whether they put it in, it can't be helped - I think SE will be fine nomatter what they pick but it would be a step forward if they allowed people to marry whomever they wanted.

All i know is we are currently arguing for the sake of arguing. This subject in general is very touchy, and some of you guys are down playing it to sound as if the solutions is as easy as a yes or no poll. Well it's not. Depending on how SE approaches this, the repercussions can be major. As such am looping back to an earlier post of mine, that SE as of right now have taken the perfect position, the aspect that few if any will object to, is confirmed. And keeping the other one up in the air with no anchors in the ground.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

All i know is we are currently arguing for the sake of arguing. This subject in general is very touchy, and some of you guys are down playing it to sound as if the solutions is as easy as a yes or no poll. Well it's not. Depending on how SE approaches this, the repercussions can be major.

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Repercussions from what? Who would deliver these repercussions? You say major, well what are they?

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

the repercussions can be major.

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Square Enix's competition has taken the stance to support and include gay marriage.

Nothing negative has happened to them.

They are worldwide.

Nothing will happen to Square Enix if they choose to.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

All i know is we are currently arguing for the sake of arguing. This subject in general is very touchy, and some of you guys are down playing it to sound as if the solutions is as easy as a yes or no poll. Well it's not. Depending on how SE approaches this, the repercussions can be major. As such am looping back to an earlier post of mine, that SE as of right now have taken the perfect position, the aspect that few if any will object to, is confirmed. And keeping the other one up in the air with no anchors in the ground.

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I think you fail to realize that SE simply going on ahead and adding non-SS marriage, while choosing not to implement SS marriage, IS TAKING A SIDE. Your failure to realize that also shows your bias in this argument, but to each his/her own. It's hardly a perfect position as it goes against what a large population of players would prefer. If they wanted to avoid taking a stance on the issue, they could just do away with marriages in-game completely as it is merely a novelty of immersion and unnecessary. If SE finds it so touchy, then why even implement? How does it make sense to say "since this is a very touchy subject and since we don't want to upset the masses, we are just going to go with 'View A' for now... 'View B' may be reconsidered later.." LOL. SE just told everyone their stance, like it or not. I agree with you in that I think SE will do exactly what they said they would do, implement non-SS marriage and leave the idea of SS marriage floating in the wind until the buzz dies down. A tactic used by alot of people who'd share that stance.

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Originally Posted by Exn

A tactic used by alot of people who'd share that stance.

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How about we leave it to a popular vote between the city-states Gridania, Ul'dah, and Limsa-Lominsa. It works in USA, eh?

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Originally Posted by Exn

I agree with you in that I think SE will do exactly what they said they would do, implement non-SS marriage and leave the idea of SS marriage floating in the wind until the buzz dies down. A tactic used by alot of people who'd share that stance.

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This is probably the truth of the matter :( though when people do this it can have other effects and create a bigger monster all together...

If there stance on this subject is only having ss marriage that there right if they do it or not and same if company supports gay marriage that there right not dictated or force to concede because other people belief's on either side of issue. I really couldn't care less what decision they do on this subject to be honest I'd never used a function like marriage in game a pointless system imo and it will not hold me back in playing the game base on it.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

All i know is we are currently arguing for the sake of arguing. This subject in general is very touchy, and some of you guys are down playing it to sound as if the solutions is as easy as a yes or no poll. Well it's not. Depending on how SE approaches this, the repercussions can be major. As such am looping back to an earlier post of mine, that SE as of right now have taken the perfect position, the aspect that few if any will object to, is confirmed. And keeping the other one up in the air with no anchors in the ground.

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And you know what side-steps the issue completely? Calling it something different. What's interesting is that Valentione's Day had explicit romantic implications and was not restricted to heterosexual couples. Were there any major repercussions for that? I certainly didn't see any. In fact I don't recall a single person, even on the forums, speaking out against it. In fact most people I knew were elated by the fact that it wasn't restricted based on character gender.

Oho...sounds like you didn't like Yoshi-p's answer on the matter...whenever weddings happen to make it's way into the game it will only be F/M , SSM will be up in the air and in a distant future THEN and only then he will require your feedback for it to be introduced {so much for "he wants our feedback now now now")...I knew this thread was useless.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Oho...sounds like you didn't like Yoshi-p's answer on the matter...whenever weddings happen to make it's way into the game it will only be F/M , SSM will be up in the air and in a distant future THEN and only then he will require your feedback for it to be introduced {so much for "he wants our feedback now now now")...I knew this thread was useless.

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A. He never put a date on feedback
B. These forums are made for feedback

A+B, your post makes no sense. Hell just B.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

A. He never put a date on feedback
B. These forums are made for feedback

A+B, your post makes no sense. Hell just B.

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You might as well go watch the live letter again

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Oho...sounds like you didn't like Yoshi-p's answer on the matter...whenever weddings happen to make it's way into the game it will only be F/M , SSM will be up in the air and in a distant future THEN and only then he will require your feedback for it to be introduced {so much for "he wants our feedback now now now")...I knew this thread was useless.

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Again, there was no point in your post except to be inflammatory. Please stop posting here Warlock, you're just making yourself look like a fool now.