Was any of the 6.3 content worth waiting 4 months for?

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

For Endwalker to feel like WoD, Island Sanctuaries would have to have cost us a raid tier like how Garrisons did in WoW. Considering we have two whole more raid tiers than WoD and haven't missed a beat, Endwalker looks like a masterclass compared to Snorelords of Boremore.

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But it cost us whole raid tier. Or do you heard of any baldesion arsenal or Delubrum type of content this expac? We are literally in WoD

PS: Sorry, but even when WoD had one less raid tier, Blackrock was top tier. Cant say that about DNA boi.

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

But it cost us whole raid tier. Or do you heard of any baldesion arsenal or Delubrum type of content this expac? We are literally in WoD

PS: Sorry, but even when WoD had one less raid tier, Blackrock was top tier. Cant say that about DNA boi.

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BA and DR aren't raid tiers, like wut? we always get 3 and the 3rd will be here in 6.4. Eureka and Bozja were supplemental content so closer to Island sanctuary and the new DD for Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

BA and DR aren't raid tiers, like wut? we always get 3 and the 3rd will be here in 6.4. Eureka and Bozja were supplemental content so closer to Island sanctuary and the new DD for Endwalker.

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Do not be elite. Baldy arsenal and Dalrider are only raid mildcore raider chara on forum is clearing. Is unfair say only Extreme fight is raid.

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Originally Posted by Graeham

Do not be elite. Baldy arsenal and Dalrider are only raid mildcore raider chara on forum is clearing. Is unfair say only Extreme fight is raid.

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How am I being elite? It has to do nothing with the difficulty of the content. I mean DRS is a thing.

The comparison wasn't about the raid tiers it was about the lack of content outside of raiding. The reason WoD did poorly was specifically because it was very "raid or die".

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Originally Posted by hobostew

The comparison wasn't about the raid tiers it was about the lack of content outside of raiding. The reason WoD did poorly was specifically because it was very "raid or die".

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And that was because so much content got cut for WoD. It was basically a skeleton crew working on the expansion while more of the staff was moved to the other project. As that time period was back when they were working on and developing the WoD and BFA expansions at the same time when MoP was done and the Siege of Orgrimmar patch was current for the time. As they tried to pursue the idea back then of having annual expansions.

Some of that cut stuff in WoD was literally what would have been the expansions new capital cities for the horde and alliance just to get the garrisons implemented. They just ported the city stuff over to the garrison system to make up for it.

Part of that cut content was just simply being able to fly in the WoD expansion until 10 months later after a very long and heated debate from not only internally amongst the staff, but the community as well. And this was because the railway system, a piece of cut content, was originally meant to replace flying. The flying stuff is such a can of worms. The design practice would later be done on purpose in both the following expansion, BFA, and also in the one after that Shadowlands. That now by Dragonflight, which is 10 years since WoD, they just let people fly very early on in the expansion's life cycle as they took notes from other mmos like ffxiv which were doing more successful than they were.

Part of that cut content for WoD was just the story itself where you have like the first 3 episodes of a new tv series, and then your friend that skips most of it and gets to the last 3 episodes.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

BA and DR aren't raid tiers, like wut? we always get 3 and the 3rd will be here in 6.4. Eureka and Bozja were supplemental content so closer to Island sanctuary and the new DD for Endwalker.

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No. Blind progging week 1 these type of content is as much fun and challenging as Savage. So yes, it is raid tier. Thinking only savage is considered raid tier and not ultimate and DRS is stupid.

Maybe just call it "raid content" then?
That would include Ex, savage, ultimate and BA and DR. I haven done much of the latter but from listening to my friends when they do another DR run, the approach seems fairly similar. Prepare, coordinate, set aside a generous amount of time and don't hop off after 10min. BA and DR are different in that they're not presented on a silver platter as raid content like the savage raid tiers are but looking at it from a practical point of view, they tick the boxes.

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Originally Posted by hobostew

MoP was awesome though. EW feels more like a WoD.

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It's really difficult to do direct comparisons to WoW expansions as FF14 has a very set in stone patch release schedule and WoW did not, especially in WoD. You can't really compare the gameplay content lost in WoD to side projects to FF14 as we are still getting a full alliance raid tier, a full savage raid tier, and presumably a full set of trials (just set in the MSQ instead of creating a new story for them).

As for the loss of a BA or DR "Raid Tier" you can directly correlate the loss of that content with the gain of criterion dungeons. We didn't get a new large scale raid but we did get new variable difficulty dungeons that we will, iirc from the LL, get a new set of before the end of the expansion.

I think if you want to say we lost the exploration zone content, that is a real argument to be had as SB had both HoH and exploration zones, and ShB had covid difficulties to deal with for creating content.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

I read earlier that they're removing Twitter integration that they added alongside that camera. So now we have a camera that doesn't work fully since the selfie pose broke, and the integration gone. RIP any legacy of 6.1.

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To be fair, the selfie patch was EActiblizz just adding /gpose and our picture plates have been finicky since it's official release (How did they manage to break something that worked just fine in the beta? That's a story, I bet!).

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Then all I'll say is complain to your hearts content. Just don't expect people (SE included) to take you seriously if you're constantly throwing money at it despite saying the game it trash, boring etc. I personally drop games I'm not having fun in after I've said my piece. I left Vindictus like that for example. I'm not spending my money on a product I'm not enjoying, point blank period

Btw if people are spending that much and folks leaving doesn't effect much wouldn't mean there's something going right more than not? Just a wonder

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Who said i'm not enjoying it? Again, there is nothing with pointing out it's shortcomings, doubly so if they have done better in the past. Your first two sentences were just "Well, I unsubbed from these games, why are you not unsubbing from this game if you complain so much!?", at this point just tell me to unsub. You will save a lot of typing, lol. Also, you shouldn't ignore the power of MMO whales and sunken cost. Those two have been powering WoW since Cata, lmao.