Tank dps harrasment

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

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I don't understand why you posted this image. Do you think I need it ?

I also maintain that skill > gear. And the example you took is fallacious. People can clear A9s now not only because of gear, but level gap and echo as well. At least use relevant content.
Moreover, the output damage of a skilled person vs average/ below average is so great that it outweights their gear. This is what i mean by skill > gear. And don't use more fallacious examples by taking extrems gear gaps.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

Wrong moves, Ya but basic rotation, tanks have 3 combos, for there primary rotations.
We are talking about Tanking. Outside of overpower what Positionals, What DPS spells, (I don't know anything about DRK at all),Sorry as a warrior MP not an issue. PLD Self cures and flash oo Not DPS... Having to much TP Means Your spamming overpower to much. Being AFK is being afk.

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I thought it was obvious that I was speaking generally about different visually discernible signs for all classes, but maybe I should have been more clear. I know that you and this thread are primarily talking about tanking.

But if you want a tank-specific example: A tank spamming nothing but their enmity combo even when there's no one in the group remotely close to overtaking their threat or otherwise camping their tank stance when they have no real reason to.

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It's not or people wouldn't be able to clear turn 9 still but GEAR is greater then > skill.
As soon as people over gear for content you get to skip phases of battle. This isn't skill this is gear being greater then content > skill.

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Good gear doesn't automatically breeze people through tough content by itself. Skipping phases in relevant content still takes both good knowledge of the fight and knowledge of how to play your class well, i.e. "skill". If it were primarily based on gear, Savage wouldn't always have such a low clear rate. By your logic, by the time most players were in full tome gear, Savage clears should skyrocket.

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Originally Posted by Aniond

Report. Square had a strict policy about any add-ons. People will learn when they get banned.

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FFLogs isn't an add-on. You could argue that information on the site is obtained using a parser, but that's a tenuous position at best.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

As soon as people over gear for content you get to skip phases of battle. This isn't skill this is gear being greater then content > skill.

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people are already skipping phases when not overgeared. of course only the skilled ones...

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

FFLogs isn't an add-on. You could argue that information on the site is obtained using a parser, but that's a tenuous position at best.

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There's many who believe calc.exe that comes with Windows is a bannable 3rd party program.

Though I haven't heard of tanks being booted for low dps. If they need that much more DPS, why bring a tank?

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Originally Posted by Aniond

Report. Square had a strict policy about any add-ons. People will learn when they get banned.

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If they don't ban painfully obvious bots, they're not going to ban people for using parsers that can't even be identified short of people blatantly saying they're using one.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

If they don't ban painfully obvious bots, they're not going to ban people for using parsers that can't even be identified short of people blatantly saying they're using one.

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I've only heard of them banning people who directly state that they're using one while harassing other players. Just flat-out a "you suck, here's your numbers, I was parsing and you're awful" level of bluntness.

Looks like people are heavily being distracted from the original point of this topic, so as a raider with high experience in all aspects of the game's difficulty let me please revert back to the OP's first comment and let's put this thread to bed since right now it's just pointless quibbling about analogies that make no sense.

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Originally Posted by Hannia

I know that this is a touchy subject, but what is with the mindset of everyone expecting tanks to do more dps? I got kicked out of a dungeon recently because I wasn't tanking in sword oath and because of that I wasn't doing enough dps to stay in the dungeon I guess.

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Dungeons are honestly not something that the majority of the population care too much about regarding playing your class optimally. As long as you are doing your job and keeping hate as a tank then you should not experience any problems with the majority of the player-base unless they really are being jerks. If you are physically doing things you do NOT need to do, for example spamming flash when you already have tons of enmity, or not using your cooldowns appropriately and making it hard for the healer to keep you alive, or conversely focusing too much on doing DPS and not keeping hate; basically anything that would make people's lives harder than it need to be, then you should not be focused with any real warranted problems. Most people only have a problem when things are taking longer than they need to, especially in really old dungeons. When people do make a fuss, just ask them kindly to put up with it or leave. Most DPS will not bother leaving because of the incredibly long wait times to get into a new dungeon would be longer than suffering through "sub-optimal" tanking.

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Originally Posted by Hannia

Yesterday, I was removed out of a hunt group killing A/S ranks because I was tanking in shield oath also.
Why are tanks expected to tank in sword oath now for even the most casual content? Why are tanks in general expected to do "X dps"?

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Now I'm not calling you a liar, but unless your server is heavily underpopulated and the hunt wasn't being zerged and for whatever reason the hunt wasn't being killed (does this ever happen?), I can't think of any reason to specifically pick up on this unless they were being elitist. Again, just find another group to go with and move on. Some people just like to troll for a sense of self-worth to basically say "Hey I'm better than you because I do this." Completely irrelevant and I would find it very hard to believe this happens very often.

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Originally Posted by Hannia

Another thing, can I report people for harassing me for my status on FFXIV logs?

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If numbers during a raid are being referenced and you do not want to know about this, then yes you are well within your right to report people for this. Additionally if people are harassing you whilst directly referencing FFLOGS then again you are well within your right to report them. HOWEVER, and this is where my post starts to become a bit more against your current way of thinking, if they kick you but don't say why, you have no right to do anything. People are WELL within their rights to go and do searches on your current skill level and then decide if they want to play with you or not. People of a certain skill level in the game do not want to have to carry people and they do not want to have a terrible time when playing the game. Sometimes people kick people despite it being contradictive of their own skill level with hopes of better players carrying them, but regardless of the reason unless specifically being told about your logs and parses you do not have any right to complain about being kicked from a party for whatever reason. This is the party leader's discretion.

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Originally Posted by Hannia

Apparently I'm not "good enough to farm Shinryu" yet I have the dog and 9 of the weapons. All I want to do is tank a freaking dragon and have a shot at the scale but because FFXIV logs says I'm "Bad" I guess I cant. I feel like I cant even play the game anymore because of how toxic the community has become.

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Real talk, you are not good enough to FARM Shinryu. Can you clear it? Sure you can, the fight is quite easy and doesn't require 100% effort from everyone. But what is a problem specifically for FARM parties is that other people have to work extra hard to make up for what you are not bringing to the table. This is why you are being kicked and not let into farm parties, simple as that really. If you don't want this attitude to continue work on looking up guides and seeing what you can do to improve your ability to play the game, this means using your enmity skills more intelligently so that you don't have to "overheal" in the sense of healers. Don't use enmity skills when you don't need to. Don't use shield oath when you are already top of the enmity list with no potential way of losing it. Use your enmity skills smartly so that you don't need to have "wasted" actions on lesser important actions. All of the former suggestions will give you more time to be able to do more with your time and therefore increase your overall DPS. DPS purely comes from playing optimally, not just from "dropping enmity/tanking skills". If you don't care about doing that then don't, but also don't expect players to let you play with them on the higher skilled content of the game.

That's very weird. It is not impossible, but it is very rare find someone in a dungeon asking the tank to pull more DPS. Most people doesn't care about tank staying all the time in tank stance. Even on extreme trials or Omega I didn't find anyone asking for this. In fact, all content is designed to have one tank as MT in full tank stance. Going full DPS is like healers, a optional thing, and usullay happens on preformed partie where everyone knows each other and there are confidence to do it safe.

Don't let that people stop you for enjoying game. You have a role as tank, and it is not DPS like a DPS job.

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Now I'm not calling you a liar, but unless your server is heavily underpopulated and the hunt wasn't being zerged and for whatever reason the hunt wasn't being killed (does this ever happen)

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This was at very early hours of the morning like 6am ish so there wasn't very many people latterly like 2 groups (and one wasn't even full).

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Real talk, you are not good enough to FARM Shinryu. Can you clear it? Sure you can, the fight is quite easy and doesn't require 100% effort from everyone. But what is a problem specifically for FARM parties is that other people have to work extra hard to make up for what you are not bringing to the table. This is why you are being kicked and not let into farm parties, simple as that really.

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So I ran with a friend yesterday who was running something to tell me my dps and he said after the clear that I was pulling 2,510 dps. According to logs unless I'm reading this wrong (which I very well may be) that should put me on the upper end of blue numbers and like 30-50 dps shy of the purple numbers (apparently colors = skill?). I don't see why I am being punished for having a single log of a fight that was put up without my permission (which btw was my freaking clear I found out looking back at the date of the log) that I have to deal with people bashing me for "low dps".