Semantics. If you have to overgear and buff all the way up to MAYBE survive something as a non-tank, that doesn't exclude it from being a *potential* 1-shot.Quote:
A oneshot mechanic takes you instantly to zero regardless of how much HP you have. If the amount of damage taken is a fixed value and it's possible to survive with enough gear, Stoneskin, Succor, Adlo, Storm's Path, Dragon Kick, tank LB, etc. then it's by definition not a oneshot mechanic.
For me it doesn't really matter whether it does 6k or 60k, on most non-tank classes I'm still gonna die in one hit.
The constant disbanding of Steps of Faith
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05-11-2015, 06:46 AMFynlar
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05-11-2015, 06:51 AMtocsinon the contrary, I think it may be. Honestly, if you have the firepower to complete the chrysalis, but are unable to complete the steps as currently constituted, you are doing something wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twilite
This is a lesson that "sometimes you need to actually think about what you are doing, instead of assuming the mechanics." I have now done it as all 3 role types in full i90 (including zenith weapons), so its definitely possible.
and each of them were with full DF groups, and we only wiped once, and that was because someone pulled early.
Be a leader. show people how to do it. I made macros to tell people how to do it. -
05-11-2015, 07:10 AMSDaemonExcept if you blow a CD, have stone-skin and an aldo on you, the only reason you are going to die from Vishap's jump due to a missed DK is if you are under-geared for the encounter. Squishier casters would most likely die or be close to death depending on their HP values, but the jump itself isn't a mechanic designed to one shot you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
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05-11-2015, 07:58 AMAldora
Since i've been seeing quite a few posts about people having trouble getting through this trial (mostly due to people leaving), i figured i'd queue up as tank (solo) and see if i can help a few people get through this trial.
The trial started with a few people saying things in the line of "Oh no... Not this one." and "I don't see a new player bonus, so everyone cleared it, right?". You could basically hear the tumbleweed skipping by when one of the party members asked if anyone was new to the trial. However, nobody left. So, i'd like to give my thanks to the entire party for sticking around till the end, cause even though we barely made it... We cleared it on the first attempt and 3 people got their clear (since they've gotten the Achievement for clearing the trial for the first time). (^_~ )-b
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05-11-2015, 10:46 AMRaelettaI did it with PF, only 2 people were my friends. Well, before the PF anyway, now I think 5 of them are my friends. I made sure to friend the dragoon, he didn't hit the floor once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twilite
Swipe: like an 8 second casting time, survivable with stoneskin or gear. Cannons exploding, see above, you get a very long time to disengage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
Missing a dragonkiller? I never even realised he hurt people when he slammed, but clearly, it's not covering the whole arena and it definitely is not a one-shot unless you're squishy. -
05-11-2015, 12:17 PMFynlarIt doesn't really matter whether it was "designed to" or not. The fact remains that it does.Quote:
Except if you blow a CD, have stone-skin and an aldo on you, the only reason you are going to die from Vishap's jump due to a missed DK is if you are under-geared for the encounter. Squishier casters would most likely die or be close to death depending on their HP values, but the jump itself isn't a mechanic designed to one shot you.
And I'm not undergeared for the fight, but nice try. -
05-11-2015, 12:28 PMAlistaireI guess you just need to look up what a "one-shot mechanic" means. Here's a hint: it doesn't mean what you think it means.Quote:
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05-11-2015, 12:32 PMDualblade
It actually does matter if it was designed that way. After all if it was designed to always one-shot you that would probably be the first thing to be nerfed (and already would be at that most likely.) But it isn't just designed to do a lot of damage. Similar to how some of Garuda's attacks are designed to do lots of damage, but aren't straight out one shot mechanics.
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05-11-2015, 01:16 PMLamentationsI agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlyx
You cannot condition casual people to play faceroll 1-50 duo with your chocobo solo leveling fate content, then force them to group with random hardcore players and expect them to get along.
Casual players, which I admittedly am, "need to stop" expecting hard core level loot drops unless they clear the required content, hardcore players need to stop defining "casual" players as bad.
The suggestion I saw that SE may have to force bad players out of the game to balance difficulty is hilarious, this would be financial suicide for XIV, SE knows it, this is "never" going to happen, casual, bad, good, hardcore, everybody's 13$ and 40$ is the same at the bank for SE.
These storyline clears grouping two totally different play style mindsets together, and then gating the possible sale of a 40$ expansion and perhaps the sub fee as well behind it was a bad idea, plain and simple.
They simply need to have two separate difficulty instances to suit both play styles, with rewards that reflect the effort involved, putting it out and then nerfing it just perpetuates the entitlement, or im better than you BS.
As someone else posted the really difficult content in this game belongs in EX instances as well as content like SCOB, and the rewards should reflect it, they could make storyline well written but no more difficult than the duo with your chocobo content and I doubt most people would really care, "casual or otherwise". -
05-11-2015, 01:23 PMFynlarIf you think it means anything other than an attack readily capable of dropping you from full HP to zero, your definition is wrong anyway. The entire definition of a 1-shot is being straight up killed by an attack from full HP, something this game loves to do with a lot of its content in order to present "challenge" so it's not like the idea should be unfamiliar to anybody.Quote:
I guess you just need to look up what a "one-shot mechanic" means. Here's a hint: it doesn't mean what you think it means.
If you're trying to say Vishap doesn't have numerous means of accomplishing this, you're also wrong.
I have never seen any non-tank survive a hit from Mistral Song in storymode Garuda, so even ruling out an unmitigated Aerial Blast, she certainly does have these. Wicked Wheel was also a common melee killer in Garuda EX before people started to overgear/Echo the fight and was a big part of the reason why ranged DPS became so prevalent in the fight and melees were left out in the cold.Quote:
It actually does matter if it was designed that way. After all if it was designed to always one-shot you that would probably be the first thing to be nerfed (and already would be at that most likely.) But it isn't just designed to do a lot of damage. Similar to how some of Garuda's attacks are designed to do lots of damage, but aren't straight out one shot mechanics.
Not saying it is impossible to survive Mistral Song in storymode Garuda as a non-tank, but usually it's not going to happen, which in my book qualifies it as a potential 1-shot attack.
Another similar example: Batraal's pewpew laser in Dzemael Darkhold. Almost always, any non-tank that gets hit by this is going to die, period. If you try to pass off the attack as anything but a potential 1-shotter, you're not giving the correct impression of how important it is for it to be dodged.