OFFICIAL Eorzea's Next Top Model Discussion Thread

I remember watching The Next Top Model...
and I remember even if the model has a pretty face, she can't be just that. I remember even a "plain Jane" won one of the competition's.
I believe models has to have really unique posing and have a story to them or just being something different!
I think Yunie does an excellent job with her poses and have lots of stories going on with them.
People can't be TOO serious with the modeling stuff here in the game...there's limited amount of things you can do on here so I can imagine
it being really really hard to take the perfect photo.
There are tons and tons of different types of models in the world.
From sexy to cute to weird! Tins just made me think of Covergirl in this round! XDD
But as I said before, I really like pictures that makes me think of a story or something or references!
[Like Kurri and the Titanic, now that was very creative.]

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Originally Posted by Kosme

What I've been wondering about is how some of the competitors have been framing their shots so well, having their characters off-center most of the time. Is it that there's another character always taking the shots, or is there some other way, besides cropping the image, to achieve this effect?

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We're allowed a buddy to take our photos~!
Also, using lock-on on a target in the distance helps off center your character too! :D

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Originally Posted by Kosme

What I've been wondering about is how some of the competitors have been framing their shots so well, having their characters off-center most of the time. Is it that there's another character always taking the shots, or is there some other way, besides cropping the image, to achieve this effect?

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Echoed to what Yunie said, but there was a tip early on this thread that showed how. :) On computer, I can hit F5 I think and have it lock on to a target, from there, that target becomes the center and I can move my character camera in almost any direction around.

I particularly like using the sun minion because I can position it in a particular spot, lock-on, and get in position since it's stationary. It's great fun.

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Originally Posted by SulwynCaliope

I loved Maxwell's picture because I felt like he went a step further and incorporated himself into the story. He could have easily just done a /pose while standing there with the wolves. Instead he went a step further and aggro-ed them so he'd have a really interesting shot to take.

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I appreciate this as well! I died twice during that photo shoot cause I was silly enough to use the lvl 46 wolves and I couldn't see my HP bar with scroll-lock on >_>; I think, aside from the thunder shoot, it's probably my favorite shot so far even if it wasn't super model-esque. Gotta work with ya got! And I don't have abs, so that numbers things that I can work with down to adorable and cute lol

People have to realize everyone has a different idea of how a modeling shot..."SS" should look... different opinions make judging interesting... that being said if you have ever watched one of the modeling shows you know that the attitudes of how that model acts also plays into how you vote *shrugs* not the judges but the outside audience which is what the public is! Keep your head held high and be proud of what you do.. if others don't, don't take it so personal and move on. Just my 2 cents on the drama unfolding in here.

Just a few replies during a study break!

The Youtube series would be a 5 episode Mini-Cycle. No voters, just 5 judges picking who goes home at the end of each episode.

@Tyriont, if you want it and no one else is fighting for it, take it! Haha. You can run your side how you want, but I will continue to take all pictures up front with the option to resubmit later. You'll probably see why if you do it your way, as I did in Cycle 1. ^^; As for Judges critiques, they have been posted at the end of each round. And the Judges were consistent this whole cycle except for a guest judge in the first few rounds, who then became Santherelle the past ...3 or 4 rounds.

@Whoever said don't bring in people from each race, I said my cast would be 12 people, TWELVE! You can't divide 12 by 5 lolol. It wont be an even amount. But also, shame on you for basically saying some of the people who made it dont deserve it. "Weaker pictures made it through" paraphrasing here but jeez. >_>'

@Anyone else, this is a FFXIV Screenshot Contest borrowing elements and name from America's Next Top Model as a joke. (My email is EorzeasNTMlol<---LOL after all.)

As a judge, I judge the "model" based on their background choice, their outfit choice, and overall feel of the picture. As a judge though, I also score all pictures independently, unlike you voters who choose your favorites. You can choose to vote how you want, even if that means not voting for "cute" character's like lalafels. Its your vote, use it how you want.

But just as much work goes into being cute as being a "real model.(lol)" In this round, Yunie chose a cute outfit (that she had to work to get dyeable), then found a pretty background (out off all the other waterfalls in Eorzea), and then worked for how long to get the perfect face/movement/mob location. Her end result is adorable and a strong picture. In the Elemental picture you posted, she chose a great background (out of all the other backgrounds in Eorzea) and she found a cute outfit AND a weapon that matched the theme, AND the Ice Elemental didn't just wander into her shot. She lined the camera up to have it perfectly centered above her left hand, as if its balanced in her palm.

I think both pictures are amazing, as are many other pictures she and her Lalafel brother and sister have submitted this competition.

I've agreed with every elimination so far, not counting any rounds where a model quit. Lol.

@Myself, shame on me for opening up a discussion about Cycle 3 and it turning into a negative-fest. I wont be asking for opinions ever again o.o;

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Originally Posted by Tinsley

maybe implement a "model save" option that can be used once during the competition. Where the judges can unanimously vote to save the person about to be voted off,

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Oops, didn't mean to forgetcha Tins!
The only reason I wont do this is because it negates the Voters votes, which is cruel, and it shows Judge Bias-ness even if only for 1 round. It would, no WILL, bring up controversy and hard feelings on all sides of the contest. As Heidi said, a model is only as strong as their recent shot! I'm gonna use that for every round a top girl gets in the bottom. >_>; lol

ye no, this is a screenshot competition with lotsa emphasis on the modeling aspect which is why i think the judges have a list of criteria or maybe an on the fly moment to evaluate, their evaluation is never consistent, which sometimes works for certain competitors. The one thing that I don't seem to understand is how come hyurs, miqote Elezen etc.. shouldn't be aiming to be sexy 24/7 but then lalas can be cute 24/7 lol
that logic is flawed on many different levels....

It's not about sexiness/cuteness but sometimes repetition gets it boring and makes it very predictable, aka no expressions most of the time, random blank background, clothing/gear not even matching the theme, same repetitive movement/pose/focus/angle... ^^"
I'm quite sure this wouldn't apply to most voters but that's just my opinion~~~
Model X, for example doesn't seem to be coming out to me as sexy or cute all the time but most of her/his shots are just like wow! wtffff that's something i never thought about!! and even when they r being cute and sexy, it's just when its needed. Also, i was in this competition for a while and i kind of understand the mindset of a "model" but now as a voter it does make me notice things i haven't as a model o:

one more thinggggggg, i've noticed that more voters in this round are actually noting down comments/reasons for their votes which is quite exciting c: !
Models need to get motivated about those reviews!!

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Originally Posted by Minorinz

their evaluation is never consistent,

The one thing that I don't seem to understand is how come hyurs, miqote Elezen etc.. shouldn't be aiming to be sexy 24/7 but then lalas can be cute 24/7 lol

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I hope I am not lumped into that not consistent comment. >_> I've been very clear what I look for in a screen shot. Also, the judges scores have rarely been THAT out of sync with the Voters scores. Everyone basically agrees on how strong/weak a picture is.

As for part 2, You can't see all the judges scores independently, only added together, but I will tell you that 2 of us haven't rated a Lalafel very high in the past couple of rounds, and there is talk of how boring being cute is getting.

It's fun for Lalafel models I bet, because they get "Lalafels cant be models because they are ONLY CUTE!" and at the same time they get "Its really unfair its okay for them to be cute in every picture. they should change it up!" and then if they put on a bikini they get called "disgusting." LOLOL.

As for Hyurs, Miqotes, Elezens, they also have the ability to take cute photos, but keep choosing sexy.

There is talk of certain model's loosing their sexy appeal too since they havent changed it up since Prelim 1.

And "put on a bikini" also means "try to be sexy in any way possible"

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Originally Posted by EorzeasNTM

@Whoever said don't bring in people from each race, I said my cast would be 12 people, TWELVE! You can't divide 12 by 5 lolol. It wont be an even amount. But also, shame on you for basically saying some of the people who made it dont deserve it. "Weaker pictures made it through" paraphrasing here but jeez. >_>'

@Myself, shame on me for opening up a discussion about Cycle 3 and it turning into a negative-fest. I wont be asking for opinions ever again o.o;

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I apologize if my comments were taken in a negative way.

What I mean by not taking each race was not that there is an inferior/weaker race or anything along those lines. I just don't think you should fill requirements of having X number of X race just to satisfy a quota. At the beginning when we were going through the preliminary rounds we were forced to pick 2 from each race, when I ( and others too ) wanted to vote for 3 of the "models" from the same race. Instead for my vote to count I was forced to pick 2 models I may or may not have felt were my favorites. I'd rather vote on a "model" by "model" basis then being forced to vote for a specific number of "models" from each race.

By the sounds of it you're changing that though.
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As far as Yunie's two pics I posted goes, I thought the later was well done, maybe it didn't seem like it came off that way.

For the 1st one I realize she put effort into the outfit, but that still doesn't change my opinion the photo is too much focused on the background and less on her and the elemental. Obviously it's my opinion and you see it differently.

I never stated she should go home or didn't deserve to be here.

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Originally Posted by Kaiyoko

As far as Yunie's two pics I posted goes, I thought the later was well done, maybe it didn't seem like it came off that way.

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Oh no, it did! ^^ I was just using her picture as part of the adorable is bad conversation. Even if it is adorable, it's a very well thought out picture!

And yes, we all know opinions are like booty holes! xD
In my opinion, and since so many voted for her in PR1 in their opinion too, it was a strong photo. Nice background, nice outfit, and the overall feel to it was very nice.

Yunie has constantly taken great pictures. She has fallen in the ranks lately though, but this picture is shooting her back to the top. Kurri hasn't aimed for adorable-ness at all. Ghost Pirate? Upside down Katniss? She isn't aiming for adorable. She is a RISK TAKER. Maxwell even submitted a sexy picture for the rainstorm make over shot.

I don't see where the 24/7 adorable comment is coming from honestly. :o <-- that face is the : o face without a space. Not a sarcastic emoticon like the forum is making it. xD

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Originally Posted by EorzeasNTM

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Male against female sounds like a nice idea. I think the current voting system you have works just fine. If you move to holding onto points from other rounds it gets more hectic and finger pointing tbh. I'm not sure what you mean by the youtube?Videos? Collection of SS? But take into consideration that this limits it to PC users only if its Video unless someone plans on making a char on all servers to video them/ work with them.

No no it'll be exactly the same as the forum version but without voters. I'll make a vid showing all the pictures, with the judges comments, and then there will be a call out order, and a bottom two, and an elimination. Hehe.

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Originally Posted by YunieAura

We're allowed a buddy to take our photos~!
Also, using lock-on on a target in the distance helps off center your character too! :D

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Originally Posted by Parodine

I particularly like using the sun minion because I can position it in a particular spot, lock-on, and get in position since it's stationary. It's great fun.

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Thanks for the tips, guys~

I usually take tons of screenshots myself, and end up having to crop 'em in photoshop to give a more dynamic look. I tried using lock-on a long time ago, but it didn't work well for screens because I kept trying to move my character, which automatically turns you around.

Now I just tried it again moving only the camera, and sure enough with a little extra planning and positioning, it works nicely. Only problem is, emotes still turn the character to face the locked on object. Drat!

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Originally Posted by EorzeasNTM

No no it'll be exactly the same as the forum version but without voters. I'll make a vid showing all the pictures, with the judges comments, and then there will be a call out order, and a bottom two, and an elimination. Hehe.

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This would become the "omg so bias" debate. But its an interesting concept. You could pick 6 form the voted off members in a cycle and either ask for ?? shots/ or use their strongest shot form the cycle... use them as a pit against eachother and name it something like Honorable mention Model :p.. idk everything that comes to mind has a pro and con sadly lol

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Originally Posted by EorzeasNTM

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I've seen cases of mismatch between judges and voters scores and tbh it's not necessarily a bad thing, i trust that they have standards :P
I'm gonna be honest, everyone who has gotten out of the competition so far kinda deserved it for all the slacking unlike the remaining ones.

Maxwell had a good shot this round, he wasn't going for a tryhard-over9000-cuteness-asdfsdgfh-sexy-hot mode and it worked! for me at least~
but i do agree on some races going tryhard with being cute/sexy most of the time. Anyway, for now being cute works, but that's the only thing i see happening for some lalas n-n

Think ive figured out the final 3-5 models, however...I wouldn't mind being surprised either...

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Originally Posted by Aelinau

This would become the "omg so bias" debate.

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haha this is why I said it'd be the Coil of bahamut version! only the strongest skinned models would apply, and all comments about bias-ness and stuff would just be ignored. It'd be just like the TV show. xD (Pre-cycle 20 and 21 where they gave voters a say. >_>;)

Anyone from Cycle 1 and 2 can apply, as well as new people. But ill only be choosing 6 models for the first Mini-Cycle.

Not that hardly any of you believe me, thats how I feel anyway, but I am completely unbiased. I feel like a den mother. I want all of you to win. The judges also seem unbiased, but then again I see their scores independently, not all added together, so only I can say none have been giving the same model 3s every round regardless of picture or anything like that.

Also, judges for both Cycle 3 and this Mini-Cycle are gonna hopefully all be models from previous two cycles. ^^ So there are your qualifications since people worry so much about judges. Lol

I had such mixed feelings about my submission for this round, I feel a need to share images I almost used and didn't. Please pardon the conversation interruption!

http://i.imgur.com/oZVN5wS.png

This image I took back in beta was my inspiration. In retrospect, I almost wish I used a pose with a feel more similar to this...

http://i.imgur.com/gC7GhBu.png

Came so close to submitting this one instead; didn't for a variety of reasons. I'm quite fond of the sun though, so!

And because I just recalled someone asked, these were taken in Brayflox's Longstop. /end interruption

Vahn! Help! come save me im lost!

http://i.imgur.com/7tNFOEU.png

(thought of this pic as soon as i saw yours XD)

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Originally Posted by Kouren

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Please never change your look again. ;^;
You're like the most unique Miqote I ever saw.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

Please never change your look again. ;^;
You're like the most unique Miqote I ever saw.

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Haha, thanks! ;w; Duly noted. I honestly find it extremely difficult to adjust to Kin looking different, but the dark hair seemed to be one of those love it or hate it things. Heard quite a bit of both, ha...

(I don't know, though. If the new race is Gria, I might finally use my Fantasia.)

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Originally Posted by Kyri

Vahn! Help! come save me im lost!

http://i.imgur.com/7tNFOEU.png

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... Did I just hear a damsel in distress?

http://i.imgur.com/WSPoA2e.png

I got this...

http://likegif.com/wp-content/upload...ink-gif-28.gif

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Originally Posted by EorzeasNTM

@Myself, shame on me for opening up a discussion about Cycle 3 and it turning into a negative-fest. I wont be asking for opinions ever again o.o;

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Honestly i dont think it was a negative fest. just a discussion on "model" and "modeling" with different opinions and views. I find it a bit refreshing to see what people think, honestly. Nothing negative has been said regarding Cycle 3 that i can see off hand

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Originally Posted by EorzeasNTM

Oops, didn't mean to forgetcha Tins!
The only reason I wont do this is because it negates the Voters votes, which is cruel, and it shows Judge Bias-ness even if only for 1 round. It would, no WILL, bring up controversy and hard feelings on all sides of the contest.

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I was just throwing ideas out there as i think your B option of voting was over thinking the system.
I like the way it is now and i think any kinks have been worked out. :)




and just a note: lol @ me getting grief over my necklace. people just dont get my sense of humor it seems. :D

Round 7 tally

note: stopped at #49 Weks
also: did not look at post counts so numbers may vary at end

1. Vahn - 37
2. Ciara - 31
3. Yunie - 29
4. Maxwell - 28
5. Kin - 21
6. Tinsley - 20
7. Kurri - 16
8. Kaelah - 12
9. Ronberku - 11
10. Jayzan - 10


<3

edit: fixed! too many K names :D

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Originally Posted by Tinsley

Honestly i dont think it was a negative fest. just a discussion on "model" and "modeling" with different opinions and views. I find it a bit refreshing to see what people think, honestly. Nothing negative has been said regarding Cycle 3 that i can see off hand

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I feel like Lalafels are being attacked suddenly, thats all. :X

I liked your necklace. xD

And your missing Kurri from your tally! O_o;;;; You wrote Kin twice, so I think its one of them xD

I'm slacking on my picture taking as a judge ;-; (Incoming in 5 minutes :D)

The lalafell issue only came up because of some offhanded comments in the voters' thread, I think :c So some of us just felt the need to elaborate on how we felt, I suppose. I hope nothing I said came off as negative or overly critical! It's good to have a space for mature discussion about what we think.

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Originally Posted by EorzeasNTM

I feel like Lalafels are being attacked suddenly, thats all. :X

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I think most of the Lala's quiet strong o.o Never intended it that way.

If I had a suggestion for next cycle, it'd be to not use the word sexy or cute in the themes. Sexy themes are naturally unfair to Lalas who are, by design, not supposed to be sexy. Cute themes are unfair to most of the other races except for Miqo and lala. The themes shouldn't be more difficult for one race or another.

Sometimes you can't win as a lalataru. We're "cute" by default, by design. The fact that so many people can't help but love some cuteness factor, however, can work against you when you're big and tough like me.

http://i.imgur.com/y87yWQ2.png

Ask that aevis. He called me cute, he got bopped. Sometimes people still call you cute, no matter how big your muscles are.

http://i.imgur.com/c2C8fOD.png
My first pic of Round 7 before changing to kitty pic. x_x
Wanted a sunny shot, but the weather was foggy/rainy for
so many days straight in the area~!! v.v Went to ULN, and thought the coeurl
would be more interesting than Titan nugget.

Kosme you look fierce........... but still cute! Sorry!

Haha i think she looks fierce!!!

You on the other hand look ADORABLE!!! I just wanna pinch those wittle cheeks. Are you angwy??? So cute!! XDdd

http://i.imgur.com/i7vYnYO.jpg
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Dark and Rainy Makeover

http://i.imgur.com/hVDpDKu.jpg

Datenight

http://i.imgur.com/zB6sRrN.jpg

Epsil, wb!!!!!!!! (?)

Anyone else get hit by the 2.38 recent update load screen lag thingy~?
Takes 10-15min to go through any load screen!!!
-Stuck on loading screen when teleporting to different area~~
-Cannot speak to retainers/MB/NPCs because they simply won't load/respond. T_T
-5-15min to load aesthetician, another 5 going through environment options....

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Originally Posted by Epsil

http://i.imgur.com/i7vYnYO.jpg

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Amazing. There is so gonna be a Legend of Zelda theme in Cycle 3. xDDDD

Bored so I did the tally. Up to my post ( Kaiyoko ).

1. Vahn - 29
2. Ciara - 22
3. Maxwell - 21
4. Yunie - 21
5. Kin - 19
6. Tinsley - 15
7. Kurri - 13
8. Kaelah - 10
9. Ronberku - 8
10. Jayzan - 7

One exam left!!! Ugh. Two reports due next week Tues and Wednes as well.

Thinking of reactivating my account and fantasia ing to elzen female. :X Santherelle and Ciara have convince me. xD

Gonna level up conjurner and try my hand at healing. No more tanky wanky.

...this next round is giving me such a pain. I'm going back and forth deciding between trying an action shot or keep trying to go with "simple-and-cool", ugh.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

...this next round is giving me such a pain. I'm going back and forth deciding between trying an action shot or keep trying to go with "simple-and-cool", ugh.

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Jericho: You should consult your Magic 8 Ball to divine whether the voters are going to be anti-action, or anti-simple. It seems random. One shot, they think things are boring. Next week, the action shots are "too much going on".

Oh, and Ciara says something along the lines of "Eeeeeeee! Do it Rongi!!"