It's become a chore to even log on to the game

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Originally Posted by astrobearthe2nd

their own biased notion

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Yeah, that is the essence of it. I just find it funny to see people accusing others of refusing to intelligently debate, only to turn around and make wild random assumptions about the game based on little to no information. When 1.0 came out it was so poorly received that it, technically speaking, went straight to free-to-play for a long time until the ship could be righted. If this game was doing as poorly as everyone claims, they would have already made that decision.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

The problem with this and everyone's opinion is the key word "seemingly". None of you have any kind of data to back up these claims. I don't know how your servers are doing but Excalibur is still jam packed with players. What are you all basing this assumption on?

The problem with this and everyone's opinion is the key word "seemingly". None of you have any kind of data to back up these claims. I don't know how your servers are doing but Excalibur is still jam packed with players. What are you all basing this assumption on?

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From what I've heard, most MMOs start off well like this, the first few months being massive profits, then just bleeding subs till they're forced to go Free to Play.

It's bad enough almost all of the zones besides Towns and Mor Dhona are empty, and talks from every LS, and FC of mine include people quitting, these are people who really enjoyed the game, it even became a popular topic in shout chats and random duty finders.

I largely ignored it till I cancelled my sub about a week or two ago, I noticed I wasn't enjoying doing monotonous grinding for things such as mounts or barding, and the combat certainly didn;t interest me.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

The problem with this and everyone's opinion is the key word "seemingly". None of you have any kind of data to back up these claims. I don't know how your servers are doing but Excalibur is still jam packed with players. What are you all basing this assumption on?

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It's safe to assume that a rather large amount of the playerbase have cancelled their subs (a sixteenth of 2 million is still a lot of people; also, don't take these numbers too seriously, it's just a random example). There have been countless threads from people saying that they've quit and why they're no longer playing. Some more articulate than others, of course. Now, since not every single person playing the game will be vocal on the forums, you can expect each of those threads to be representing many other people who share the same opinion. The same goes for literally all the threads that have ever been posted on any forum ever. So, that is what I'm basing my assumption on.

Of course there's still a lot of people online. That's why it can still be touted as having been successful. However, can you say that all those people you see are people that have been there since launch? How many more people do you think there would be if people hadn't cancelled their subs? I was in an FC for a while when I played on Diabolos. Out of 100 or so people, only 6 of us were ever active. This game is not as engaging as it could be.

When someone like me, who was extremely excited for this game foe years, loved everything about it when I finally got my hands on it, rarely ever put down the controller for weeks, gets bored of it not even 6 months after playing, it's absolutely fair to be concerned about the future of the game. I still have tons of stuff to complete, even. I just don't feel compelled to do so.

You can keep on defending this game and denying it's flaws through your blinded fanaticism as I once did. Or, you can take a step back and begin looking at things from different perspectives.

I'll be back later. Some things I need to take care of.

Even my FC leader who passionately defends the game broke down and said the only reason he plays is because of us

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Originally Posted by Quattrob

That is kind of true however SE advertised the game by saying how the game only really starts when you reach 50 which is Endgame. So not having enough endgame content is one thing, but having really bad endgame content is what I'm talking about here. Login do turn 1-5 and primal ex, cap myths. That's all you do, and looking at 2.2, that's what you'll be doing still. Endgame dungeons in this is pretty lackluster especially CT. CT is like doing FATEs and provides no sense of accomplishment for the loot you get in there. Everyone in this game in any job will look the same in terms of gear/looks without much effort, there is no diversity and customization. Feels like these so called 3 months patches were suppose to be in at launch of the game in the first place.
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I really want this game to succeed but its really becoming a chore to log on now =/

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

The problem with this and everyone's opinion is the key word "seemingly". None of you have any kind of data to back up these claims. I don't know how your servers are doing but Excalibur is still jam packed with players. What are you all basing this assumption on?

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Still packed... but a lot less than 1-2 months after launch.

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Originally Posted by Mihael_Longclaw

From what I've heard, most MMOs start off well like this, the first few months being massive profits, then just bleeding subs till they're forced to go Free to Play.
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wrong...lets take swtor for example....

swtor failed due to a lacked of management on BW/EA part
a very poor engine that was really broken and incomplete. even the devs of the hero engine told BW that it wasnt ready.
devs ego getting in the way of community wants/needs
broken ilum pvp events
and im sure there more things i forgotten.


also swtor bombed around 3rd or 4th month, losing almost most all it players and would have died completely if not for the f2p /sub model...we are in our 6th month and SE will be opening up NEW servers for the chinese. not to mention the ps4 release.



this game is literally in no danger of failing at this point...like at all

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Originally Posted by astrobearthe2nd

wrong...lets take swtor for example....

swtor failed due to a lacked of management on BW/EA part
a very poor engine that was really broken and incomplete. even the devs of the hero engine told BW that it wasnt ready.
devs ego getting in the way of community wants/needs
broken ilum pvp events
and im sure there more things i forgotten.


also swtor bombed around 3rd or 4th month, losing almost most all it players and would have died completely if not for the f2p /sub model...we are in our 6th month and SE will be opening up NEW servers for the chinese. not to mention the ps4 release.



this game is literally in no danger of failing at this point...like at all

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I doubt and hope the game won't fail either. But to write it off is foolish

Unless a game has on overwhelming focus on its main (core) theme, it needs variety

If you are playing a MMO to meet new people or socialise with friends on stale content, I think you should get up from your chair and get out of the house more. Or just move on to another MMO with the friends in your static.

Many people don't log on to see scenery in-game. They log on for challenges in current and subsequent added content, or experience new encounters with friends/static. When there is none, it is hard to find a reason to log on. This game is still young in MMO standards, so there are certainly a substantial amount of people, myself included who are still subbed due to be being fortunate enough to find a great static group to do coil/hang out with, waiting to see what's next. With everyone is 50 now unlike launch period, plus already having a static group/bunch of friends to Immediately Start raid/engage new content with, After 2.2, and they still take their time releasing content like now, they will certainly bleed subs, like in Swtor.

Then you will start seeing people complaining about dead servers and asking for consolidation/free transfers. Your current perception of whether the game is still going strong or rapidly "going downhill" is based a lot on the server you play on. http://xivsoul.com/ if by any means is a good estimate, clearly shows quite a few servers lacking in population compared to the top half.

Also, I hope you are not going to further suggest that people stand in Ul'Dah with their allagan weapon "socialising".
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"You seem to base your game purely on your own and your static's progress. I can't fathom why you would play any multiplayer game that way."

Yes because that's the way the game is designed, which you can tell by what is being released as content updates. New primals/coil/CT raid to progress together as a GROUP in a multiplayer environment. If you consider camping together with friends or trying to meet new people during the The "events" FATEs like brick/shannon/lighting as socialising, then perhaps back to the 1st line in my post.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

No socializing with friend at all?

No figuring out who among your number needs help?

No desire to actually meet new people?

You seem to base your game purely on your own and your static's progress. I can't fathom why you would play any multiplayer game that way.

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Originally Posted by Mega_Man_U

Congratulations! You're in the very small minority that can steamroll the currently available content. Most people cannot.

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Most people log on for a day to clear T1 to T4 instead of 1-5. Same difference.