Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

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Originally Posted by Neclord

Making it through the first boss in this case involves following the movements of the other players who have already done the preparation and learned the fight - and even then if OP was selected for the meteor mechanic they would have risked causing a wipe depending on where they placed it. Perhaps this is a harsh thing to say, but I don't think it warrants any respect at all - and it is simply fortunate that they weren't selected to do mechanics that have the potential to kill others.

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Intentionally killing someone with a tank buster doesn't warrant any respect, as well as jumping up and down like this was Call of duty tea bagging season all over again. Also you missed out that they watched videos before hand before entering so there was some effort put forth and not just a intentional grief unlike the actions of others.

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Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura

Intentionally killing someone with a tank buster doesn't warrant any respect, as well as jumping up and down like this was Call of duty tea bagging season all over again. Also you missed out that they watched videos before hand before entering so there was some effort put forth and not just a intentional grief unlike the actions of others.

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The chance of them naturally going into Forked Tower is close to the square root of zero. The only way they're getting into Forked Tower is by joining an organised group or sniping an organised group's run.

The fact that they watched a video guide is not the slam dunk you think it is. It only reveals the decision to snipe an organised group's run is completely intentional and not done naively.

Not to mention that you also don't join clear parties in PF if you've seen a guide and never been in there.

This falls on the heads of the devs for designing this mess like that. It genuinely baffles me because they had it figured out with Bozja - CLL, Dal and DRN were very accessible, some parts even fostered communication and teamwork that could be handled through chat alone. For those who wanted a harder experience, there was DRS. You can use PF to go into it. The only change I would make considering how old the content is, is the 10 minute wait being slashed in half.

How the heck anyone thought making Forked Tower Extreme/lower-floor Savage difficulty was a good idea in the first place is beyond me. It should have had a Normal version. It should be able to queue for in PF. All this does is foster gatekeeping and anyone with a functioning brain could have seen this coming a mile away.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

Not to mention that you also don't join clear parties in PF if you've seen a guide and never been in there.

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If you look at it in Ultimate/Savage PF terms, there are people in this thread who think it would be perfectly acceptable to join a kill party for an Ultimate/Savage without any experience - but only if the way to enter Ultimate/Savage was a shiny platform and had players on it asking you not to join and politely communicating the purpose of them being there.

The irony is that there's nothing actually preventing a player from joining a kill party in PF when they know none of the fight either. There's just less of a consequence for the players who are actually engaging in the content because they simply de-instance and remove/blacklist the player that joined. In Forked Tower 48 other people are inconvenienced potentially for upward of 50 minutes waiting for the next tower spawn and blacklisting does not prevent that player from sniping again.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

Not to mention that you also don't join clear parties in PF if you've seen a guide and never been in there.

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That is actually not true. I've met people who watched guides and went in and cleared content without having been in there. That is completely dependent on the said person.

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Originally Posted by Xieldras

You know, there\\'s this thing in the game called the "party chat". I can understand it being annoying at times, but it\\'s a very effective communication tool that could, perhaps, help coordinate your group with the random people so that you\\'re all on the same page. Most entering the tower without pre-mades are, I imagine, open to learning and helping out and not just there to grief your group.

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I would love to see you explain 7 seperate 48 player "encounters" on a savage level difficulty in party chat, to the kind of players that find dungeons hard content.

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Originally Posted by Neclord

The chance of them naturally going into Forked Tower is close to the square root of zero. The only way they're getting into Forked Tower is by joining an organised group or sniping an organised group's run.

The fact that they watched a video guide is not the slam dunk you think it is. It only reveals the decision to snipe an organised group's run is completely intentional and not done naively.

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Seems like they did pretty good to me. If you think this content should be designed this way then I'm sorry to say Bozja did it better.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

The comments in this thread just show how elitist the content continues to become. As a player of 12+ years, FFXIV moving to cater to raiders and high-end content players has created a real problem with content basically being inaccessible to anyone who isn\\'t willing to jump through hoops.

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This is some kind of troll or sick joke surely? This game is casual central. There is barely any content aimed at high end players.

There's what, 2 ultimates every 3 years? And that's it.

Everything else in this game is aimed at a more casual player base, and yes they include Savage, which is mid core at its hardest.

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Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura

Seems like they did pretty good to me. If you think this content should be designed this way then I'm sorry to say Bozja did it better.

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I'm not sure where this point has come from. My point has been regardless of how any content is designed, players are intelligent enough to know if their behaviour (in this case, sniping) is discourteous to others. There is a bare minimum expected of people.

Do you nitpick the design of shopping trolleys and supermarket car parks when individual shoppers choose not to return the trolley to its original place? Or perhaps you think people who vocally object to that sort of behavour are the real problem?